So...given previous support for Israel, I figured I'd explain how I've shifted over time, and what caused me to sour on supporting Israel, ya know, for future reference if anyone asks how I got from my 2023 position to my 2026 one.
Ideological presuppositions
So...I'm basically a post Christian with a reddit atheist vibe despite not really being a hardcore atheist any more. And my position on the issue is similar to many new Atheist types. Kyle kind of covered this and how a lot of us went in this weird direction in which we began opposing radical islam at all costs because, well, those guys are absolutely nuts, but to be fair, I have gotten more nuanced with religion over time, recognizing extremists are the big problem, not all adherents (although leaving religion is still beneficial0.
On the Israel-Palestine conflict, I've generally remained somewhat pro Israel. Post religion, it's less about ideological similarities or sympathies with zionism, but more just...well, they're our geopolitical allies in the middle east and seem more civilized than the Palestinians, and more ready to negotiate.
These opinions tinged my initial reaction to October 7th, 2023 btw, where I was sympathetic to Israel because Hamas launched this horrible attack on them. And as I saw it, Palestine tends to do this stuff, and when they do, it's basically FAFO. They F'ed around, so now they find out.
The history of the conflict
Israel in a modern sense was founded in 1948. Yes, it was an act of colonialism by the major superpowers who colonized the region but post WWII divested from those areas and gave them more sovereignty. Basically, they gave half of the land to Israel and half to Palestine. Palestine found this unacceptable, and declared war. And then they got their butts kicked. And because wars have consequences, well, the Nakba happened, and Israel had the upper hand since. In 1967, the Arab powers tried to gang up on israel, and we had the 6 day war where they basically kicked butt and came out the victor again. And...again, wars have consequences, and by that point, Israel owned it all.
However, this displaces the Palestinians, so eventually under international pressure they gave some land back and established some agreements. And...neither side fully abided by the agreements. Israel would do illegal settlements in the west bank, Palestinian terrorists would attack Israel, tensions remained high, and while we had several agreements since then, these guys didnt abide by them because they both want all the land for themselves and dont wanna compromise.
Generally, I supported a two state solution to the conflict, recognizing israel needs to stop the settlement crap but Palestine needs to stop committing terrorism. The goal for me was to deescalate tensions, although I largely stayed out of it, taking pot shots from the side and posting this video whenever the topic came up. As a secular American, I dont think the conflict is my business, and while I typically saw Israel as the more reasonable of the two and the lesser evil, again, it's not like I sympathize with zionism.
Initial response to October 7th
I honestly was very sympathetic to the Israelis. I mean just the month before I considered traveling to virginia for blue ridge rock festival to see Till Lindemann. I didnt go because logistics, but I seriously considered it. Im glad, I didn't. It was a nightmare. Till cancelled and the whole festival was...shall we say, a hot mess. There was extreme weather, people got sick from the porta potties being blown over, half the bands didnt play, there was a shortage of resources, it was a disaster.
But hey, at least it wasn't a bunch of terrorists paragliding into the festival and shooting everyone. So yeah, F hamas for doing that. And, of course, I was sympathetic to Israel initially for wanting to declare war on Hamas and eliminate them. And...let's face it. War is ugly. I knew there would be civilian casualties. Like when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, it wasnt really clean. I knew civilians died. But the difference is Bush seemed to make it clear the objective was to HELP those people, and even if our help wasnt really...helpful, at least Bush seemed to have relatively good intentions. So...yeah, I kinda defended Israel initially, suggesting that they weren't trying to necessarily kill civilians, but war is messy and crap sometimes happens.
My opinion sours
But...over time, it seemed obvious that Israel wasn't putting a good faith effort into avoiding casualties. As the war dragged on, it became increasingly apparent that Israel WASNT trying to rein in casualties. And support soured as a result. it got so bad eventually Netanyahu was accused of war crimes by the ICC and states were legally required to act on it. They didnt, and if anything, the US shut them down.
My initial response to this stuff happening was that I didnt like it, but I also kinda figured well what else are we gonna do? Israel was basically our ally in the middle east, and while I didnt support this behavior, eh, I wasn't gonna upset international relations over it either. I kinda just soured on supporting Israel and wanted to stay out of it.
Response to anti war protesters and the 2024 election
Now, from the get go, there were a segment of leftists who got hyper mobilized over this issue and did all these stupid symbolic protests and acted obnoxiously self righteous over the issue. And I generally condemned that. To be frank, I dont care about Israel much. I really dont. This isn't our conflict and I generally dont care that much about it in the grand scheme of things. So I kinda opposed those guys. I kinda thought the left was doing the irritating thing that cost democrats the 1968 and 1972 elections where anti war protesters scream and disrupt things until they're heard, while most would oppose them. I didnt want Biden or Harris to go down over their support because tbqh, they seemed to be trying to moderate Israel somewhat, even if they were "complicit", and honestly, I REALLY didn't want trump to win. As I said, I had 99 problems and Israel isn't one. I cared more about most other issues. So I was trying to maintain party discipline if anything.
The Trump Years
And...as we know, Trump won. And Trump just gave Netanyahu the green light to finish the job. So they basically went full genocide, with Trump talking about building casinos in the gaza strip and turning it into a crappy middle eastern version of atlantic city. And by this point, even the veil of a good faith effort to minimize casualties was gone. It was just, kill them all, let god sort them out. And by this point most liberals turned hard on the subject, including myself.
Of course, we could've warned the 2024 protesters this was gonna happen. Harris wasnt a perfect candidate, and I get that people hate lesser evilism but she was the lesser evil here. Honestly, there is no "good" outcome for palestine and the sooner we all realize it, the better.
Massive political influence
Something that's become increasingly apparent to me in recent years is just how deep Israel's influence in US politics goes. AIPAC spends MASSIVE amounts of money lobbying politicians for Israel support, and also spends massive amounts on destroying their enemies. Much of congress is explicitly bought out by Israel, with them running campaigns against any holdouts. The same goes with commentators. Between Nick Fuentes and Guy Christensen, it seems obvious that they do the same there. They pay generously to commentators who support Israel, but also seek to destroy those that don't, often to disgusting degrees. And I wanna make it clear. Im not sympathetic to Nick Fuentes, guy is practically a neonazi, but I will say this: he went in that direction because in his villain origin story, Israel's lobbying efforts tried to destroy him and they ended up turning him into the monster he is. When Israel turns any legitimate criticism against them into "anti semitism" and tries to destroy peoples' careers, eventually you're gonna get legit antisemite types rising out of that. I don't support those guys, but I understand why it happens.
But yeah, let's be honest. if this were Russia, or China, or anyone else, we'd basically consider this to be a hostile act against our country. It's the kind of crap we pull on third world countries in trying to depose regimes we dont like and get ones in that we do. And it shouldnt be acceptable. And I myself have turned quite anti Israel in response to this. Because I want my politicians to represent actual Americans, not Israel. Again, I dont care about Israel.
The Epstein connection
While this isnt entirely proven to my knowledge, there's reason to believe even the Epstein thing is a Mossad operation to get blackmail on politicians. You know, so they toe Israel's line. Epstein is speculated to be Israeli intelligence. And one of the reasons Trump is so willing to go along with Netanyahu is because, as we know, he was a big player in Epstein's operation. And if you read the Epstein files, you know how depraved that is. Like holy crap we're talking child sex trafficking here. And Israel helped set this up to blackmail US politicians? Wow....
The war with Iran
This brings us to the current crisis. Israel wanted to go after Iran. Trump does whatever netanyahu wants, in part because he's a psychopath, but also due to the epstein blackmail stuff I mentioned. And now WE'RE getting in a war with iran...FOR ISRAEL. And...again, at this point, this is getting so unconscionable that I'm just like. NO. HEEEELLLLL NOOOOO!!!!!! I dont want us to send our kids overseas to die in a pointless war that didnt need to happen, for fricking Israel. F Israel. We should cut off all ties, declare them a rogue state, and let nature take its course. We should be doing to them what Europe is currently doing to us. Sitting there and staying out of it while we make ###es out of ourselves. Except we should also be on the sideline letting Israel find out. As I said before with palestine. Wars have consequences. If Israel wants to F around, let them find out. And if they lose...well...that's the way things should be. But now WE'RE getting involved, and WE'RE getting ruined for them. And it sickens me. I dont support this war. F this war. Whatever happened to "America first?"
Conclusion
And yeah, that's how I went from being relatively pro Israel to now seeing them as public enemy #1 as far as foreign policy goes. They speedran our fall from grace after 9/11. We started out with widespread sympathy and public support and because we abused that support, we ended up alienating our allies through the Bush years. Obama rebuilt some of that trust again, but now Trump has trashed it. Netanyahu did that too. I went from being relatively sympathetic to seeing them as genocidal warmongers with WAAAAY too much influence over our government. Im to the point I wanna cut off all diplomatic ties with them and let them fight their own war. And if they end up losing, well....maybe they shouldn't have F-ed around. This was totally avoidable. But because we seem to be governed by literal monsters in moral terms, well....we all gotta suffer from it.
Idk how this war will end. It's possible this could lead to the unraveling of the entire US led world order, tbqh. We are coming off as weak and a paper tiger, we've alienated our allies, and this could be the stumbling block that destroys our empire. And that's not good, because if anyone replaces us, it's China. Way to go, America, way to go *slow clap*.