So....this is another one of those third way vs DSA civil war posts I've been doing lately, and this one is kinda gonna settle the debate once and for all for me.
There's a lot of moral panic and hand wringing over the DSA's rise within the democratic party. Now, once again, there are some legitimate concerns there. The most extreme elements of the DSA are, quite frankly, kinda insane, and I certainly don't endorse LITERAL SOCIALISM to solve our problems. But as I said, i got a problem with the moderates too, and keep blaming them for us getting to this point. They've been holding the democratic party back since 2016, and a lot of them are opposed to the idea of ANY leftward shift, and ANY populism, acting like we're "just like MAGA" if we do that.
Again, with the DSA's most extreme elements, I see a parallel there. I certainly think the left flank of the DSA does represent a similar extremist threat to what MAGA does, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't do anything at all. Again, the big problem with this debate is we got DSA on one side, the third way on the other, and I'm basically just...in the middle at this point. Sure, I lean toward the DSA now given my pathological hatred of the democratic establishment, but as I said, I ain't sold on them either. So let's go back through my history and explain my own line of thinking on this.
Me as a tea party republican
Ya know, back, in the day, I WAS a tea party republican. I mean, I originally started out as a Bush republican with Christian nationalist characteristics, but in my college years, I did move to the center. I was in college during the 2008 election cycle, and it seemed clear the republican party couldn't continue as it was. No one liked it, not even republicans. The left wing criticisms should be obvious, but again, there were people within the republican party who realized that the GOP had to change. it wasn't representing its true ideals any more. It went down the path of Bush era neoconservatism, with its hardcore interventionism that ended up being a failure. And that was the big flaw. No one liked it. NO ONE. Not even republicans. Bush had approval ratings down to like 28% toward the end of his term. That means a good 1/3 of the republican party was turning on Bush, myself included. The wars also represented a betrayal of fiscal conservatism. This is where we get the deficit hawk mindset. I learned in political science classes about how Clinton balanced the budget, a fiscally conservative priority, and then Bush basically doubled it from his tax cuts and stupid wars that were ruining the country. Basically, the republican party was kind of betraying its own ideals and wrecking itself. Then it didn't seem to be doing enough on reducing safety nets, it was bailing out the banks in 2008 (kinda necessary at the time, but seen as a betrayal among hardcore conservatives), and yeah, we just needed a new kind of conservatism. One that got back to its roots. I supported Ron Paul at the time (cringe, I know, but think about it, 20ish year old libertarian...yeah....). I actually flirted with voting for Hillary Clinton over John McCain because of the above, I KNEW she was a centrist even then, and was like "hey, Bill didn't do bad, maybe we should have Hillary?", but then Obama became the nominee and I flipped to McCain...begrudgingly.
McCain went down in flames, Obama won in a de facto landslide. Despite the fears that he would bring us to communism, he didn't, he was a milquetoast liberal himself, but I didn't realize that until around 2011. Anyway, we all knew in the republican party that the republican party seemed to betray its ideals and needed to go back to its roots. And the tea party was the answer. The left frames it as entirely inorganic and funded by big money, and dont get me wrong, it was, BUT...a lot of conservatives did WANT THIS. So we voted for the tea party in 2010, and the first crop got elected in 2011.
What went wrong?
However, what we got...didnt make me happy. Quite frankly, I was horrified. Those on the centrist left act like this is the time the nutcases took over the asylum, and use that as a cautionary tale for why we can't have DSA. but let me explain why the tea party was so bad. The tea party...didn't do anything that went against its ideology. That's the problem, it WAS a return to form. We got exactly what we voted for, and given my evolving belief system, I kind if realized that "gee, this is horrible." And that's what I keep saying, it's not that the implementation of conservative ideas was bad here, the ideas themselves were bad. It was looking us in the face all along. Reagan, Bush, the tea party, it was all bad. That whole paradigm was rotten. And I radically changed my views over the next year or so, realizing that this entire reagan driven party alignment had to go. It was time. In 2012, we had Romney run on trickle down economics in the middle of a recession while fronting tea party christian nationalist priorities, and it was just...no. Centrist dems like to look at Bush, McCain, and Romney as the good old days. Those guys are in the tent but progressives? No, that's too extreme, what do you wanna be like the tea party on the left? Yes, actually.
because, again, it wasn't the implementation of the ideas that were bad, it's the ideas themselves.
The case for a left wing tea party
So...this is going to be based more in around...2013ish logic, not 2026. But I wanna explain to people how I evolved with this. So....conservatism bad, Reaganism bad. Over the last 2 years from 2011 to 2013, I shifted from being a tea party republican to being a progressive. I skipped right over the uncanny valley of suck, and went straight to the left side of liberalism....the version not seen in this country since the 1970s in a meaningful way. I went full on New Dealer. I researched economic policy, learned how the economy worked on things like job creation with the phillips curve, I learned about keynesianism vs neoliberalism, and realized things worked A LOT better back then. We used to have a country full of jobs that paid well, where the incomes of the poor and middle class grew with the wealthy. Reaganism truly was the end of that. It basically replaced a paradigm of economic reforms that gave us unions, safety nets, regulations, etc. and shared prosperity with "well if we give the rich people all of the money, it'll all trickle down."
And...I learned about the compromises Clinton made in the 90s. yeah, Clinton, Obama, they represented a form of centrist liberalism that by Obama's second term was wearing thin. Maybe it worked in the 90s during the dot com boom, but in the 2010s, we were floundering. The job creators werent creating jobs. And it seemed obvious we needed a return to form on the left.
But I wanna be clear, that return to form wasn't socialism or communism. I learned from the failures of that. Capitalism won the ideological debate, i dont wanna supplant it. I dont particularly LIKE capitalism, but I do believe it to be a functional system, you just need to reform the crap out of it to make it work. But thats the thing. The centrist dems made compromises to the center the way the eisenhower republicans did in the 1950s. And maybe that was necessary back then. But it isn't now. I knew about political realignments. I mapped out the timeline. 1932, New Deal Era rose, 1968, 36 years later, it collapsed. But then in order to make the timeline work again, since the timing of the theory went off the rails after 1968, I developed the 12 year "dealignment" theory where we didn't fully align into the 6th party system until 1980. 1980 always seemed to be this big "before and after" moment. It was the ascendance of modern conservatism, the ideology that was now, in my view, in decline. And we were now past 2012....32 years later. That means in 2016...we should have a new realignment.
The 2016 moment and what the democrats should have done
And that's the thing, it clicked. It was time. The reagan era needed to go. It was responsible for all of the problems, and the left needed a counter response, not the same old centrist liberalism that was itself ideologically impure and built on unsavory compromises with the right, but a return to form. And that return to form for me was always social democracy or the new deal.
Again, I wanted to restore liberalism to its former glory, while adapting it to the new age. Secular social morals. A relatively noninterventionist foreign policy (but nothing too crazy). A progressive economic vision. Granted, it wouldnt be exactly like the previous form. That had flaws. Flaws that I also learned the lessons from and didn't want to repeat. I wanted to avoid the wokeness and idpol that seems to divide the country and offer us nothing. I wanted to avoid the big sprawling bureaucracies of the new deal and poison pill compromises of the clinton era that created the impression that government can't do anything right. I wanted to avoid leaning into basically the idea that America was "weak" on foreign policy, just offering a more even hand, similar to what Biden offered.
My own vision of a new New Deal took shape during Obama's second term. I learned about UBI and how it was actually floated at the end of the new deal era, but didnt pass due to political nonsense. It seemed like we came so close to "getting it" but then we went in exactly the wrong direction. UBI also seemed to be a functional solution to poverty that avoided the problems of government bloat, compromises, and the evils of communism. It actually seemed to have a uniquely American spin to it, one based on FREEDOM and actually empowering individuals in markets, rather than enslaving them. If anything, given the failures of "job creation", this is just what we needed. And of course, medicare for all was an early ideal vision for healthcare for me, having not fully considered the fiscal consequences. Free college, student loan forgiveness, it all clicked.
Basically, I became andrew Yang before Yang ran for office.
Bernie Sanders: close enough
Of course, I knew I couldnt expect an emerging populist figure to reflect me directly, but I did become attracted to bernie Sanders as a possible 2016 nominee as early as 2014. And sure, he called himself a socialist, but looking at his actual policies, he was a social democrat. That's the thing. Demsocs and socdems are functionally similar on policy. They call themselves different things and have different ideologies on paper, but in practice, they both seem to want similar policies. Anyway I saw nothing nefarious with Bernie's platform, it was just social democratic crap with maybe some worker coops and that's it. big deal. He supported 2/3 of my priorities and 2/3 aint bad...
But then the democrats screwed us...
The democratic establishment decided we would be having none of that. Remember Clinton in 2008? She's back, and now I'm at an entirely different part of the spectrum. While I think HRC wouldve been good for 2008, by 2016, we were basically on the verge of a realignment and she was just...wrong for the moment. not that it mattered, it was "her turn". We were just white male "bernie bros" who were "sexist" because we didn't want the "first woman president." We "didn't get the black vote." We didn't get that incrementalism is the way to go. I mean, this was a campaign for losers. She had this idea she wanted to be president, and everything else was just a justification around this idea, rather than her running to make peoples' lives better. And the whole campaign basically became a mess of "vote blue no matter who", which pissed me off majorly. And as old time readers would know, I went and voted green that year.
The democratic party civil war
The democrats have been in a low key civil war ever since, with me on the progressive side. The centrists remained insufferable and refused to do anything to improve things,and this caused the progressive wing to radicalize into literal socialism. Hence how we got the DSA folks. And even I started realizing the issues with this as early as 2019-2021 when Yang actually became a nominee running LITERALLY on my 2016 ideas more or less, and then these DSA nutcases started screaming deranged crap about how he aint a socialist. Like, wtf? I didnt want literal socialism. But neither did I want establishment nothing either. Anyway, 2020 was a repeat of 2016, Bernie got screwed again, we got Biden, and the centrists did a victory lap which further alienated us.
The Biden era was never something I wanted, really. I believed he did more harm to the progressive cause than to help it. I knew it would end similarly to what it did. Because he was so out of his depth he didnt realize the actions needed to solve the problems of the time, and how his moderation would just not win anyone over. Centrist dems have this mentality that they can win if they just run to the center. But the electorate is highly polarized, the right hates us no matter what, and the left isnt enthused and stays home. We saw it with Obama. Obama had huge numbers in 2008, then the tea party led to GOP dominated control of the house, and the coalition wasnt the same ever since. Sanders could've revitalized it with new energy, but by 2016 it was just so fatigued that it lost to Trump. Which....to go back to the whole "MAGA" problem, represented an authoritarian, fascist turn for the republicans. The tea party wasn't the problem, MAGA was, and while the tea party led to MAGA, they're two different things. The tea party represented small government conservatism taken to extremes, MAGA went authoritarian. It's the difference between someone like me and a literal tankie DSA member. I'm more dem tea party, go back to the roots, extremist DSA is more MAGA, like F the rules lets go authoritarian. Again, this is why I concede there is a problem with DSA, but they're not the same as someone like me, who was more "liberalism but back to its roots/better."
And that goes back to the problem here. The centrist dems dont wanna do ANYTHING. They literally work for "capital" as controlled opposition. They foisted Clinton on us when she wasnt right for the moment. They foisted Biden, which ended in disaster. They even foisted him a second time despite him developing cognitive decline and only backed off when it was obvious he wasnt up for the job. And they lost.
And now, people are sick of mainstream liberals who arent doing anything, so they're voting for DSA.
DSA: the solution but also a problem
The DSA does offer a possible vision for the future of the country. It basically is an evolution of what Sanders ran on in 2016, but as people point out and as I am aware of, some of those guys take socialism WAY too literally and go way too far. While they are basically offering an economic package I think could be successful at solving our problems somewhat in the short term, between my ideological disagreements over UBI and their fixation with socialism, I do think they're imperfect. Still, when the alternative is...the centrists...well, that kinda puts me in between a rock and a hard place, doesn't it? I dont deny the centrists have a point about the DSA's worst impulses. THey are out of line with the public on their social leftism, on foreign policy, and even their economic vision has too much LITERAL SOCIALISM in it.
At the same time, their economic vision is still....somewhat aligned with mine. And the centrists...well they're just there hand wringing about how we cant do anything like some sort of south park cable guy so....of course I'm gonna support DSA candidates when I think it's productive.
And let's face it, the centrists' inaction is what got us here. They refused to move left enough in the first place, forcing us to choose between this radicalizing force that's going WAY too far left, and their own vision which is stuck in 1992. Ideally, we'd have something like the DSA but without the socialism, a more social democratic vision if you will. Or....a human centered capitalist vision a la Yang. But again, all this stuff is being crowded out. The DSA are the ones who have organized and who are gaining ground, while the centrist dems remain the villain of the democratic party, as inflexible and lost as ever.
"DSA" but without the literal socialism
Despite the problems with the DSA, let's be frank. They are fighting for the little guy. They want medicare for all, free college, unions, higher minimum wages, and other solutions like a green new deal, paid family leave, etc. it ain't all what I want, but at least they're cooking. If we could have a variant of that without the weirdo tankie crap in the background somewhere, then that would be great. A new FDR. That's what we need. And that's why I end up supporting DSA at times despite obviously seeing the problems. As long as they're not trying to dismantle capitalism and democracy itself, I'm fine with them reforming things. I see the threat of them going too far to be down the road somewhere, 10-20 years from now, maybe longer. And lets face it, if they try THAT stuff I suspect it will be highly unpopular and there will be shifts away from them.
But still, let's not act like we can't have progressive change without the weirdo communist elements, and that's where, if anything, the centrists sound like MAGA. After fighting us so hard for a decade, now they're sounding like they're red scaring like actual MAGA is. And again, MAGA is doing it from a place of fascism. The reason the DSA is here in their current form is because by fighting them, tthe centrists radicalized them. If they just said "okay" and implemented Bernie's agenda, I dont think the actual "socialist" aspect wouldve taken off. But when youre representing an establishment that represents the interests of capital, yeah, these guys are gonna read socialist theory, take it seriously, and radicalize into that.
Is the criticism of DSA even in good faith?
This brings us to the final question: is all this criticism of DSA even in good faith? I mean, to some degree, yes, there are problems with the most extreme members and their weird tankie impulses. BUT....also no, because I feel like the centrists are trying to do a red scare moral panic along with the right to push out these ideas entirely by linking them to extremism. The fact that the dems havent bent in 10 years is how we got here, and let's face it, they STILL seem intent on fighting the progressive wing harder than the literal fascists cracking down on our civil liberties, it's disgusting.
If the dems just adapted social democratic agenda and ran on that, without the bad elements, we wouldnt be in this situation. It's not hard to do. I've been advocating for it since 2014. bernie was LITERALLY doing that in 2016. But the dems have refused, and would rather smear it than implement any of it, and would rather scream at the clouds about the hypothetical future threat of the most extreme crazies taking over, rather than bend at all. And that's what give it away.
As I've said before, functionalism and conflict theory tend to dominate my analyses sociologically. Functionalism looks at the legitimate reasons for behavior. Pointing out some members' tankie impulses is a legit black mark against DSA. But then the establishment also serves big money and dont want change. Which view becomes dominant for me? Conflict theory. because if they really cared about implementing those ideas WITHOUT tying them to extremism, they would. But they dont. Instead they scream about tankieism and red scares while rejecting all of it. And that makes me turn on the centrists as well, since I've had enough with their BS.
Support DSA for now, but keep an eye on them
This leads me to my ultimate conclusion here. As supporting DSA candidates helps advance a progressive agenda, without significantly negative consequences, then we should support them. But if they do start going all stupid with their more brainrotty ideas, well, there's always the centrist wing to offer a counter balance.
We dont worry about roasting to death when the heat aint even on. The argument here is that if we turn the heat on it might eventually get too hot and kill us. But we're freezing now. As I said before, eventually, progressives become conservatives as their agendas are implemented, and I have no doubt that some day, I might be conservative again if the left goes too far left. But...as I said about why socialism never succeeded in "democratic socialist" traditions in the past, normally, socdem policy makes people comfortable enough where they wont desire socialist change. And we just gotta trust the hopefully the american people will step on the brakes long before the DSA types become a serious threat to the country. I honestly think they will. Most americans dont want literal socialism, they just want an economic system that works better. If those changes happen under capitalism, then I believe most would be placated, and the desire for further revolutionary change will disappear.