So....let's have a more serious discussion about 2028, and what awaits us in this upcoming potential dumpster fire of an election cycle.
Republicans
Up to election day 2026, the 2028 republican primary has mostly been a two way race between JD Vance and Marco Rubio. I'm not sure if this pattern is gonna stick given how badly the republicans just got smashed. people are saying Vance's career is functionally over, and while Rubio is rumored to resign as secretary of state soon and very quickly distance himself from the Trump administration, the point is, if this is the field, people are toast.
Lurking conservative circles, it comes off like a lot of these guys are looking to shift to DeSantis. I mean, I can see why. He's MAGA enough to attract the base, but also distant enough from the current administration to not be as much of a liability. Still, given how extremely he's governed Florida, I don't think that he's really well positioned to be the nominee either. I think the public is turning on MAGA not JUST for economic reasons, but also all the fascism, and well, he'd kinda continue it. Of course, that IS what the BASE wants. As I've said previously, the base is extreme, even if the public turns on it. And a lot of MAGAts are basically going in the direction of "well MAGA lost because we weren't extreme ENOUGH!" So this might be a F around and find out move for them.
Beyond that, you got other candidates. RFK Jr, who has been a disaster. Wouldnt be surprised if even his base is turning on them. I heard that measles coming back kinda pissed off some in rural southern communities who are dealing with it. Nikki Haley is a good moderate candidate. Like Marco Rubio without the baggage. But she's Indian, and as we saw with Ramaswamy, some racists would rather vote for a democrat than vote for an Indian for some reason. Ted Cruz, Tucker Carlson, and a few others are on there too but have very little support. Kinda dismal.
If I were a republican, of those options, I'd want Haley, just saying. I think the GOP needs to moderate and come back to sanity, and Haley is a very accomplished moderate who would make a decent commander in chief. I'd never vote for her as a democrat, but meh, if I were conservative still, and I really thought about it like I did back then, yeah, I'd go Haley. Or maybe Chris Christie or Mike Pence if they ran. Just get away from MAGA and go back in the moderate direction.
Of course, the propensity of MAGA to keep electing batcrap insane extremist psychopaths is also part of why I left, so...yeah. let's face it, that republican party of yesteryear is dead, and we're more likely to see the groypers take over than to see them moderate.
Democrats
I'm gonna be honest. I am NOT happy with my choices of democrats. Long story short, the moderates are too moderate, and AOC just...isn't it for me. There are around five viable candidates. Kamala Harris is polling the best in the primary aggregates, although she's kinda the default option. After her 2024 campaign, I've soured on her. I could've kinda got behind her if she still had the same progressive flair that she did in 2020, but bleh. Gavin Newsom has some anti trump flair, but other than that he's kinda a centrist. Buttigieg is also quite centrist, kinda like a Joe Biden who never tried to compromise with the left. John ossoff is basically a wannabe Obama. And AOC...well...let's explain AOC a bit since I just got some grief from a leftist tonight for not being gung ho on her.
AOC is a leftist, but I'm not really. Sure, Im to the left of the rest of the democratic party, but I'm more a Yang style human centered capitalism, and she's more a conventional leftist. I want UBI, a public option, and build back better style climate policy, and she is more into the green new deal and medicare for all (single payer). I mean, is it better than the centrists who wanna do nothing? Sure, but I kinda occupy that wing of the party to the right of DSA, but not quite centrist. ya know, kinda like Mallory McMorrow, or James Talarico in a way. my biggest "leftist" style instinct is UBI these days, otherwise, I've moderated to make more fiscal room for it. Still, would I take a "democratic centrist" over a centrist? Absolutely. I am just kinda holding my breath hoping a better candidate comes out of the woodwork. I would actually like to see Yang run as a democrat again. Although he does have flaws too.
Beyond that, let's be real about AOC....she's not gonna be elected. Look at the polling data above. She's the only leftist candidate at 12.5% of the electorate, and the rest of the field is going to coalesce behind some centrist. And for anyone thinking AOC can improve her numbers, eh....I've seen this before. It's 2020 all over again. She can maybe pull off a win in a divided field, but the centrists will consolidate behind one of those four candidates again, or maybe even whoever else breaks through, and then we lose.
Even if she made it to the general, and there IS polling data on this...can we talk about her numbers? She's literally the only candidate with consistent losses to the both Vance and Rubio across ALL polls so far. Yeah, you also have one Harris poll that's R+5 vs Rubio, but at least another poll suggests she can win. AOC is uniquely bad polling wise and the country is NOT in the mood for a democratic socialist right now. Sadly, the moderates are winning the ideological war right now, and if we ran AOC, it would do more harm than good. Hell, none of the candidates have the bonkers numbers I suggested yesterday with my simulation model. The best one is Buttigieg being around D+5, the others are around D+2-3 with AOC being like R+4.
Let's look at what this looks like electorally.
YIKES. So worse than harris 2024? yeah, Worse than harris 2024. if she somehow made it out of the battle royale that is the primary, with the rest of the party probably teaming up against her like they did with bernie in 2020, she'd go on to lose to both Vance and Rubio. Given the wins we just got last week, this is embarrassing, and the centrists will insist that they were right and that progressives cant win. This isnt Bernie 2016 where he outpolled Clinton by a landslide, or even 2020 where Bernie polled like 1-2 points below Biden but was still arguably electable. She's just uniquely bad polling wise right now. Even Greasy Gavin has better numbers than her at this point. Just yikes.
Meanwhile, most democrats have popular vote margins around D+2-D+5. Let's say a D+3.5 average margin among the centrist candidates, with Harris being the only one who actually struggles at all.
Here we win 6 of the 7 swing states with AZ being the only R victory. We have a comfortable 80% chance of victory, and while it is very possible we can underperform, it's also possible that Vance or Rubio won't have the charisma that Trump does. This is not some major 2026 style win, and for all we know, maybe the current polling data is vastly underestimating democrats. I mean, how can the democrats do so good they just cracked Texas, Iowa, Kansas, and Mississippi, but they perform so narrowly here? Maybe the electorate does think differently about presidential races. In 2026, republicans had typical level turnout, but democrats had presidential level turnout. In 2028, we'll have presidential level turnout. So if republicans come out in greater numbers, our margins go down, and we dont get the fancy blowout map we just had last week. And while I am of the opinion elections are won by enthusiasm and you need a progressive to turn out the base, if AOC is just alienating that same electorate where the republicans flat out win numerically, well, that's counterproductive. Think about it. We're in an era of conservative fascism. We gotta focus on winning above anything else. I've been thinking about this for a while, but it's not 2016 any more. The map is different, the zeitgeist is different, and the electorate is just in a different place mentally. We gotta adapt too. Doesnt mean we should give up our ideals (even if I did go in a different direction from the demsocs), but it does mean we gotta be adaptable. Win where we can, but play strategically where we have to. I think a fusionist strategy a la Mallory McMorrow or James Talarico is better than an outright AOC style socialist for a presidential run. We need someone who can get stuff done, but isnt so extreme they alienate the normies. Even if they're not everything I want, I'll vote for them, just to get the most that I can at this current stage of time. That's why Im currently not gonna endorse anyone, go be gung ho on anyone. it's still early. I wanna see who runs, what they run on, what "wing" of the party they represent, and go from there. I certainly dont want the most centrist or corporatist candidate. But neither do I want some leftist with ideas that contradict my own and who can't win.
At the same time, I'll say this, I'm open to changing my mind. The polling data is still early and post 2024, we MIGHT see a more progressive map. If I had to predict the 2028 election, I'm guessing we're ultimately gonna get a 319-219 map kinda like this:
I dont think we're flip those R+13 states that mostly went D this past election cycle. But can we win the big 7? Absolutely. And that is my primary goal electorally. As much as I'd like to deal the GOP a generational blow again and again, I dont think its realistic that we replicate last week's wins if the current polling is closer to a more neutral map. Last week was bonkers, but Im not sure we can carry that kind of energy into every cycle, especially if MAGA comes out to vote more strongly in 2028.
A note on "centrism" in the democratic party
Speaking of 2026 though, I do wanna address this. I know I was watching Kyle Kulinski and he was talking about how the centrists are trying to "rat####" the progressive wing of the party. It is true, they're trying to manufacture consent for centrism, but COME ON, look at the map. We won seats in mostly deep south states. A lot of those new guys ARE going to be more conservative than we like. You ain't gonna run a socialist in say, Kansas and win. I mean, come on.
WITH THAT SAID, I don't think we should go centrist. As I see it, the American people have legit economic concerns, and if the centrist wing decides to sit on their hands and do nothing, they'll be voted out. Still, that doesnt mean they want leftism. Not everyone who won was Abdul El Sayed. I don't think they're all Adam Hamilton or Scott Colom either, I mean, James Talarico is pretty progressive and populist for Texas. He just codes conservatively because he talks about Jesus nonstop. Annie Andrews seems to be outing herself as like a Warrencrat. She probably won't govern from the center that much. El Sayed, Flannagan, and Jackson are all northern progressives with much more progressive platforms too. So no, we didn't win just centrists. We won people ALL OVER the spectrum. I dont think the hard left is gonna have the numbers to do everything they want. hell, until 2028, I think we're gonna have a very unproductive congress constantly stonewalled by Trump and possibly senate republicans if we keep the filibuster around. But you know what? Again, the answer is compromise between the centrists and progressives. Instead of medicare for all, we go for a public option. Instead of a green new deal, we go for build back better again. Instead of UBI, maybe we'll get some tax credits or something.
I know, i know, even expecting this might be setting myself up for disappontment, but I'll say, if the democrats DONT do at least SOMETHING, they're gonna be out on their ###es in a few years. if the democrats wanna seal the deal and make this a generational realignment, they gotta act. They cant just do the centrism game here like they did with Clinton, Biden, and Harris. The voters wont stand for it. Again, maybe a socialist cant win, but that doesnt mean we should do nothing either. Im trying to suggest a middle ground here. And in 2028, I'm STILL going to be looking for candidates willing to meet the moment, who move things the furthest in my direction they can, and who are willing to fight for change. AOC looks like she's gonna lose by 3-5 if she runs...but James Talarico just won Texas by TWELVE. if you're saying we can't do ANYTHING because "centrism wins", then STFU, because Talarico isnt exactly a centrist, he's kind of one of those progressive populist fusionists Im talking about.
Conclusion
With that said, 2028 is gonna be an ugly king of the hill match on both sides. The top candidates of JD Vance and Marco Rubio on the republican side might implode, and who knows what happens on the democrats. I admit, Im not hot on any specific democrat, but that also makes me uncommitted to any of them. I'm open minded and I will go for the candidate I ultimately decide is best. On AOC, yeah she's the closest policy wise to what I want, but she aint really what I want, and the way it looks so far, she's flat out not electable. Let's be realistic. We're gonna get someone to AOC's right. The real question is how far left can we drag that candidate kicking and screaming while still ensuring they remain electable. And that's what my goal is for 2028. I aint giving up on my ambitions, but I am scaling them down and trying to figure out what we can get away with and what we can't. Again, it's not 2016 any more, and we gotta adapt to the modern era, so let's adapt, or else we'll be left behind. I'll still stand by my ideals, but as far as candidates I'll endorse and vote for, well, let's see where 2028 goes. Im not going to commit to anything at this time.









