So....I havent been following the Jubilee debates like I used to. Too time consuming to watch them and then write about them, especially when most people involved are complete idiots, but this time Andrew yang did surrounded with 20 AI tech enthusiasts. And you might think, wait, isnt Yang an AI tech enthusiast? I mean, the luddite types ACT like he is, but nah, yang, like me, takes a middle ground position, which...compared to these guys is the pessimistic position. The enthusiasts are...well...delusionally nutso on the subject. And Yang tries to talk some sense into them. So let's get to it.
Claim #1: AI will not democratize opportunity - it will accelerate inequality on a scale we have never seen before
For me, this is a no crap proposition. Because our economy is based on trickle down. We literally expect rich people to create jobs for everyone else, and that's how the wealth trickles down. And because businesses try to maximize profits by extracting as much work from people as possible while giving as little as possible back, the system inevitably trends toward inequality.
Of course, Yang is talking with entrepreneurs here. And they're all going on about how AI is GREAT for them, because they can do all of this stuff and don't have to hire people. But if they don't have to hire people...well, guess what, the job creators arent making the jobs. And if the job creators arent making the jobs, thats a problem with an economy that literally centers around job creation.
Of course, entrepreneurs have this attitude of wanting to make their own job, and there was discussion about how AI will help people become entrepreneurs, but not everyone has the ability or the drive to be an entrepreneur. Not all visions work, many fail, and Yang is right about unemployment and underemployment being severely understated in existing data. Our economy looks mostly healthy on paper, but in practice, it's pretty rotten.
Even more so, for all the talk of the luddite fallacy and how AI will create more jobs long term, that doesnt mean it wont be massively disruptive to the work force today. We literally live in a society that relies on people working to meet their needs. if they cant easily acquire jobs that give them money, guess what, they're gonna suffer.
Not even getting into how more jobs isnt even a desirable goal. Like a big difference I have with Yang is I actively want to destroy this cultish obsession we have with jobs and employment. I think we gotta get over this idea that jobs are good and give people dignity. I just see them as servitude. But I digress, Im going on a tangent now.
Claim #2: AI is going to eliminate millions of jobs faster than new ones can be created
Also true, even if we did accept the idea like Yang seems to that jobs are desirable, AI is gonna massively disrupt the market. We like to rely on job retraining for people to get new jobs. Doesnt work. And something we dont like to talk about with the luddite fallacy, even if new jobs are created, a lot of areas where the old jobs existed are devastated. Take a look at the mississippi delta where the loss of plantation jobs causes that area to be one of the poorest in the country. Or west virginia, where the loss of coal jobs causes massive disruption. Or the rust belt, where automation and the shift away from the industrial economy is wreaking havoc. I mean, thats always how it works, the capitalist optimists just whitewash the consequences, and in reality, things always end up sucking for people. And I aint saying those jobs were good. Keep in mind, my stance is jobs suck and are bad. The plantation jobs were done by slaves before capitalism. Capitalism just changed the arrangements to wage slavery than literal slavery. West virginia's coal jobs were nasty and ruined peoples' health. But again, because the economy requires us to seek out jobs to, you know, survive, people fear losing them. We engineered a society where people fear not having a job more than having one in order to coerce people into taking them, and now people dont wanna lose them. It's why luddites exist, and why people fear AI. They know that AI is gonna disrupt the economy in a way that's not gonna benefit them. And to go back to the first claim, yeah, those structures WILL in fact accelerate inequalities. It's not gonna benefit a majority of people.
Claim #3: Universal Basic Income will become necessary as AI reduces the need for human labor
Okay, so this is where I deviate from Yang a bit. It's not good to frame UBI as a solution to an inevitable disruption to the economy. Because of that luddite fallacy. And because of that ironclad belief in jobs and work. These guys will keep the system going for as long as possible on its current trajectory, and like always, we'll just be expected to suck it up and deal with it. We live in an inhuman system that is socially darwinistic. People are expected to sink or swim, and if they sink, they die, and for all the talk of breaking points and people getting pissed off and not accepting it, the past 200 years shows an incredible willingness to accept it, an incredible willingness of the wealthy to use forced to reinforce their status quo (it's one of the reasons so many tech bros are even more into trump's authoritarianism than trump is, the state is ultimately an apparatus to protect their private property rights and they will literally repress the crap out of the population to protect their rights push comes to shove). Back to the people, the reason Yang takes what i consider the moderate position is most people seem to be lashing out at the idea of AI destroying their jobs than at the system forcing them to get them in the first place. And as we saw in this video, some people are just so skeptical of UBI that when framed as an inevitability, people will go on about how "they dont know about that" and still find ways to try to make this jobist framework work. Like they'll only accept UBI as a last resort, when it should be aspired to. We should WANT a world where AI takes the jobs so we dont have to work any more. This crisis is artificial and created by our social systems forcing most people to get jobs. And whenever waves of disruption happen, the people at the bottom are ALWAYS just told to suck it up and adapt. This is why, for me, human centered capitalism isn't just about reacting to automation, it's about changing our culture and our aspirations. We SHOULD have an economy that adapts to us rather than forces us to adapt to it. We SHOULD simply view work as a means to an end, not an end in itself. We SHOULD seek to balance economic growth and gains in productivity with broader metrics of human well being. These are ASPIRATIONS. And a world where we dont all have to work all the time should be an aspiration too. UBI should be SOUGHT AFTER BECAUSE it can transform society away from an economy based on economic servitude toward one where the economy actually serves us instead. It IS how we democratize the economy, giving everyone a basic standard of living, and giving people freedom to seek out the life they want. Like, UBI shouldnt just be a reaction TO automation, it should be the solution to capitalism's underlying problems that make automation such a problem in the first place.
Claim #4: The market will optimize for productivity and profit, not human dignity
And once again, Yang is right. Like, a lot of people view yang as a tech bro entrepreneur type, but he actually does have a more pessimistic view of the economy more reminiscient of mine. Corporations are for profit entities. Again, the purpose is to extract as much labor from people while giving as little back. And that's what the market is gonna orient itself around through this AI revolution. Most gains WILL go to the top. And we need ideas like UBI to actually offset this. Anyway i dont got much to say given I already ranted most of this out above, so moving on.
Debater claim: Being an AI optimist is necessary to get through this next period of immense technological transformation
Yang didnt really fully disagree with this, and neither will I. I actually think we should be SOMEWHAT pro AI. But keep in mind my own perspective. I want AI to solve that everpresent question of "okay if work sucks and we shouldnt do it any more, how do we address the necessary human labor we need done for society to function?" The long term answer IS automation. We SHOULDNT embrace luddite mentalities like more conventional liberals and leftists are doing. We SHOULD kind of ride the wave, embracing societal change, and letting things happen, merely pushing back against the current model of capitalism instead. But it seems like more people are interested in opposing AI (and by extension, UBI), and attempting to preserve the jobs system, because they have this misplaced idea that jobs provide dignity.
And there was discussion on this topic too. And how we need to find new ways to give people dignity outside of conventional employment. But even Yang is just too "in the cave" for me on this subject. like as one of those labor force dropouts, my own solution is a wholesale rejection of the work ethic, work culture, and the idea that we get dignity from our work. That is just a bunch of nonsense sold to us by religious fanatics who are against the idea of enjoying life, and rich people who use their ideas to brainwash people into WANTING to spend their time working. And now we got this entirely socially constructed problem where our society is changing, and our social conventions are just stuck in the past. Hell, that's the entire problem. Our system coerces people into submission, links "dignity" to said submission, and when the system no longer works, they suffer psychologically. However, rather than suggest the ideas are bad and we should change where we get our self esteem from, we keep insisting on more work and keeping the system going. Even Yang doesn't fully understand this it seems. He still believes in a lot of the work = dignity stuff and comes up with weird ideas like alternative currencies and stuff to keep people working in their own way. In reality, I think we should reject work, want to work less over time, and change our entire value system and disposition toward work in such a way that we throw out that old outdated work ethic and look at things more pragmatically. Again, for me and my vision of HCC: work is a means to an end, not an end in itself. Work doesnt provide dignity. We created this idea to keep people dependent on work. It's a system of psychological control. It's like giving babies crack cocaine, making them addicts, and then complaining when withdrawal happens and suggesting the solution is more crack. I mean, we're a very mentally sick society as I see it, and we need to change our attitudes on things.
In a way, this does mean Im more optimistic on AI than many people are. I DO embrace it. BUT...I still tend to have that more yangesque middle ground in which our current social conventions are dated, and incompatible with this emerging new way of doing things. It's not AI that's the problem, it's "inhuman capitalism", to contrast it with "human centered capitalism." The idea that humans exist to serve the economy and should adapt to the system or suffer/die. The idea that work isnt just transactional and necessary, but that it does give people dignity and purpose and that we should actively structure our lives around it. The idea that the purpose of life is to continue to grow the economy, reducing us all to economic inputs to produce profits that due to the ownership structure, most of us never see in the first place.
And I've said it myself, AI isnt the problem, it's the economic models surrounding it. It's the fact that tech bros are ramming it down our throats, taking their "optimism" for it to what i consider crazy levels. It's the fact that we're basically pursuing the idea with blatant disregard for how it impacts people or the environment. It's the fact that the economy is structured to benefit a minority while the majority suffers. And my own claim is that not even yang goes far enough in realizing how serious of a problem this is, and that we gotta be even MORE zealous about UBI, human centered, capitalism, and post work/anti work philosophy than even he is. We need to challenge these conventions. And that's where I get the same middle ground view Yang does to some degree, where I'm pessimistic about the future but also not entirely against AI. Because our economic model sucks, the power structures around it are entrenched, and it seems like most people are stuck in trying to preserve a crappy status quo that always sucked and I always longed to change in the first place.
I never grew up wanting to do XYZ. I always looked toward working with a sense of existential dread. I never grew out of this as I got older, and as the economy left me behind, and I researched how things really work, and I realized things dont have to be this way, I've decided to advocate for change, rather than push that same crappy status quo that I hate anyway. AI really can be our savior in terms of liberating us from a lifetime of economic servitude that many of us dont want, but have been brainwashed to accept for one reason or another. BUT...we have to break that brainwashing. And that's the big challenge of our time. Not AI itself. The fact that AI poses a problem points to deeper problems with our whole way of doing things IMO.
And yeah, that's my stance on this.
Conclusion
I know I dunk on Yang a lot, call it "leftist infighting" or whatever, but at times like this, I realize the dude is still right on just about everything. I might have minor disagreements with him as expressed above, but seriously, like 90% of the time, i'm like "I agree with Yang." And how often do I agree with ANYONE 90% of the time? Not often. So yeah. He was spitting with this. And if anything his differences made his points more accessible to the entrepreneur audience when i personally...dont jive with entrepreneurship or that whole cultural thing. Im not a job creator. Im a disgruntled job seeker who hates the current system. But other than that, it's amazing how I can agree with him on so much where i still align with him on more than just about every more mainstream politician going. I really hope he runs for president again in 2028.