So, we've had some discussion on this previously. I asked if I was getting more conservative, but, I ended up just concluding that I just was never as far left as the current crop of "leftists" defining the left and its agenda. There is some truth to me that in the past 10-15 years, the democratic party has gotten more liberal with some members being socialist. But...let's face it, in the same time frame, the GOP has driven off several cliffs and the car is now bursting into swastika shaped flames of being borderline fascist.
A washington post article recently also looked at this, and looked at how some millennials are rejecting the democratic party, but because the author seems stuck in the two party duopoly mindset of "if they aren't embracing the democrats they must be getting more conservative", they seemed to miss the mark.
Their core arguments for "millennials aging into right wingers" seems to settle on 4 main arguments surrounding how they see millennials as thinking:
1. The kids today are too self-righteous and judgmental.
2. The Democratic Party is corrupt and uninspiring.
3. Donald Trump wasn’t nearly as bad as everyone said.
4. I miss the good old days.
Now, to go into each one briefly, here's my overall impression.
1) Seems to be a rejection of SJWs. Not surprising, because large majorities of the population do, but for some reason the democrats let these guys run wild and dominate the conversation on social issues. Rather than leaning into social issues with a calm libertarian mindset of "do what you want, I dont care", lefties have to be obnoxious and self righteous moral policers. I think a lot of people are rejecting that. But that doesn't mean they embrace conservatism.
2) Well, it is. We tried to push for change in the democratic party in 2016 and 2020. Look at how they rejected our efforts. The fact is, the democratic party as basically ignored us, and now talking heads who seem to be paid to NOT understand the problem are like "gee, why does no one like us?" Because you suck, that's why. No one likes biden, or the current brand of neoliberalism. Biden's approval rating is dropping ever lower, and it seems like no one likes him any more except for a small slice of center lefters. I don't think Biden has been a "bad" president, but I don't think he's been good either. Basically, he's Jimmy Carter 2.0, unfairly blamed for our problems, but also not really doing much to fix them. Kyle Kulinski has a good video on that from today.
But, and this is the essential thing to understand...we DO NOT necessarily like trump. While conservatism has gained ground during the trump years due to the democratic party's inability to actually appeal to people and meet them where they are. I'm under the impression we're still a left leaning generation.
3) Okay hear me out. I've been shifting more and more post 2020 toward Trump being almost as bad as people say he was over January 6th and how he literally mobilized his insane fanbase to commit insurrection, but for the most part....the reason millennials dont think trump is as bad as democrats claim he is, is because all the dems have to hold together their party is TRUMP BAD. They just scream about how bad trump is and you're supposed to ignore the crappiness of the democratic party and vote for the dems...to stop trump. This isnt working on millennials so they're once again conflating rejection of "trump bad" with support for trump. Not the correct way to do things.
4) Who doesn't miss "the good old days"? Im of the opinion they largely didnt exist for us though. American capitalism has always been a dumpster fire, and the closest thing to the good old days is BEFORE WE WERE ALIVE. Seriously, our generation is born between 1981 and 1995 or so, and Reagan took over in 1980. While some of us miss the 90s because they were our childhood and we didnt have to worry about bills and crap, politically, they werent that amazing. American capitalism under the guidance of the neolibs was eating away living standards.
What we miss, if anything, was the glory days of our parents who grew up in the 1950s-1970s and had good jobs with good pay and unions. Where one income could feed an entire family, provide a house, go to college, etc. Where income inequality was tamed. But, the democratic party has turned their back on those politics, hence the malaise. And while I am my own finnicky self saying even THAT golden age had issues (and that I believe we need to go in a different direction, than old labor politics), what people really msis is those old labor politics. I talk to people my age. We're increasingly like FDR liberals in my experience. With the most conservative of us often being bleeding heart libertarians who still vote for Biden. Yes, some vote for trump. They're generally white and uneducated, but most people I talk to are just tired of the SJWs running everything. Like, I had a conversation with my best friend last night and he was going on about how he thinks the trans people are faking it. But the dude is like super leftist on economics and posts anti work memes on our private discord chat with each other. I mean, that's where millennials are. We're actually to the left of the democrats, rejecting the party and its BS, but also maybe a tad more socially conservative than the zoomers.
But, boomer mcgeezax over here at the washington post, is asking, gee, are we becoming more conservative? I mean, yes and no, mostly no. Again, with me, I'm just realizing that I've never been as far left as a lot of modern democrats and leftists. I also reject the more moderate neoliberal branch of the party that represents the yuppie suburbanite class's concerns, and is obsessed over identity. I mean, I'm definitely left leaning. But I'm more LIBERTARIAN on social issues, not wanting to control people like the crazies on the right do, but not really okay with extreme woke politics either. And on economics, I'd describe myself as left of the democrats, but right of the newest crop of "leftists" who seem to push for literal socialism. Anyway, to actually comment on what he says in the article itself.
It came off as a portrait of the millennial generation midlife crisis-ing its way into voting Republican.
Or maybe we dont like either party and we need a realignment in politics in general. Maybe its the boomers and gen x and silents making the decisions all along, and we just dont like them. Keep in mind I'm middle of the pack age wise for millennials. Born in the late 1980s. In my mid 30s. Some younger, some older. Our politics is more liberal overall. We had zero reason to support the GOP in my cohort. SOme will because brainwashing from parents/society, but most of us have rejected conservatism in the 2000s because of the Bush era and later the tea party. But that doesn't mean the democrats have done a good job either. They've quite frankly failed us. And while in the process they might have lost a few potential voters, I still believe under 40s or so want a different kind of politics not well represented by either party.
Many millennials (of which I am one) are now entering their 40s. It’s a firmly adult phase of life that tends to correlate with a recalibration of priorities, expectations and resentments. A substantial migration of millennial voters from left to right — including a significant chunk of those who might appear the unlikeliest of converts — will surely be one consequence.
Ok, so this person is a millennial, but here's the thing about life. We don't just turn on one day and say, gee, we're gonna move hard right. Some of us have been raising families for years, others are still struggling to find their way in the world. Some have their crap together, some are left behind.
Every generation of American progressive has seen it happen. Ronald Reagan created “Reagan Democrats” from aging members of the war generation who supported Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy but grew disillusioned with statism. One faction of boomer leftists aged into neoconservatives as they became more anxious about the Cold War; another made peace with neoliberal economics once they left college and got good jobs in the prosperous 1980s and ’90s.I mean sure, it happened, especially for boomers. Boomers arose in the golden era of american capitalism, but found the collectivism stifling and the state inefficient at solving problems in its time (and then there was that pesky issue of racism and civil rights), and as boomers aged, they aged to be more conservative. Some have argued they started out more conservative though. There was always a silent majority with hippies always being the vocal minority. Isn't that what Nixon's strategy to win over people to conservatism was about? That these leftists have gone too far and most americans are more moderate and we need to go back to that? And then reagan came along during a time of high inflation and extremely ineffective government (hello, 2022!) and killed the democratic party for a generation.
And as far as the democrats they let themselves be changed too. The establishment fought their voters, and the newer boomer generation of democrats that arose in the 1970s were more educated and thus socially liberal but economically conservative, like the clintons and the like. And as those guys replaced the new deal people as they retired, the party went in the "new democratic" direction in the 90s when the shifts within the democrats hit critical mass and they forced themselves to the right with the "third way" guys.
But, I'm not sure this works for millenials. Sadly history is repeating itself with the democrats fighting its voters and being out of touch, but at the same time, most of us are poor. We're worse off than our parents, the first generation to be so since before FDR. We're generation screwed. We were raised to follow our dreams, came of age during a financial crisis, and never had a good economy. While some have made it, we're financially in a bad place generally speaking. We're a generation that never made it. That were held back by crisis after crisis in our adult years. And we're angry and want change. I think we want something neither party has actually offered, and I think that politically we just havent had a good job at voting in an organized way to affect politics. We've been consistently outvoted by Boomers and Gen X, who are wealthier and have more conservative attitudes.
Spend any time listening to left-wing millennials on their vast archipelago of blogs, podcasts, YouTube channels and Twitch streams and you’ll hear hints of the terms on which this generation’s shift will unfold; their growing distaste for their own political tribe seems as much a product of cultural alienation as anything.
Many millennial leftists say it openly: They’re apathetic about “social issues.” It’s the economic stuff that really concerns them — and certainly there are plenty of metrics that can be cited to argue millennials face generationally unique economic hardships. But if engagement with this reality rarely rises above a rote denunciation of the capitalist system itself — the continuation of which isn’t exactly an active debate in U.S. politics — then economic malaise probably isn’t going to dictate many votes one way or another.
Yeah, we're alienated by the political system. Both parties have ignored us and failed us. We want social democracy man. Not third way neoliberalism or fascism, although given the two party system when we're unable to support anything different we might end up voting in weird ways.
And yeah, as far as "we dont care about social issues", it's because this is all the democratic party offers. They've abandoned us and ignored us on economics at every turn, obsessed with centrism and appeasing old boomers and gen x people who still embrace the old way of politics. And they turn to social issues to try to bully us into voting for them. We're told to check our privilege and vote out of solidarity with black people or something, DUDE WE DON'T CARE, WE JUST WANT AN ECONOMY THAT WORKS.
It's like no one is hearting us and we need to keep screaming it and people like this are just like "but what do they really want?"
WE'RE TELLING YOU, WHY DON'T YOU LISTEN?!
I mean, it's right in front of you. We want economic change. But you keep blowing us off to push identity politics and that nonsense.
Unless, that is, apathy toward social issues is seen as a form of economic justice unto itself.
America’s biggest brands have received a lot of fire from the millennial left in recent years for ostentatious virtue signaling — rainbow Oreos, Black Lives Matter shirts at Walmart, that sort of thing. There is rage at this imagined disingenuousness; corporate America is assumed to be full of a bunch of greedy hypocrites who don’t believe in the causes they’re exploiting to pitch products. Yet at some point this anger becomes indistinguishable from purely aesthetic distaste — instinctive revulsion at a new highly visible evolution in the culture that finds common cause with a populist right equally contemptuous of “woke capital” and the liberal politicians they finance.
Again, we want change, and this is how we see the parties.
Republicans: no
Democrats: no #BLM
The democrats are a corporate party. And it is profitable for them to play the SJW game to win approval on culture war issues. And the yuppies in suburbia go for it, but meanwhile we're still there, and suffering and just becoming more and more disillusioned.
We reject this stuff because it's clear the democrats aren't on our side, but end up working with the rich to push social issues while ignoring issues that actually motivate us. We're not becoming more conservative, we're dealigning from both parties.
Further overlap comes from a shared perception that the social causes of today simply aren’t worth much. Just as some boomers felt their progressive views on civil rights and feminism justified indifference — or hostility — to the gay rights movement that came later, aging millennials who feel they’ve proved themselves supportive of gay rights may find prissy and frivolous the younger generation’s insistence on things such as pronoun introductions and perfectly race- and gender-balanced workplaces. Layer on that most disorienting anxiety of middle-age — not knowing what’s offensive anymore — and you have a generation primed to be at least a little reactionary-curious.
To be fair, this is what I said by social issues going further left. Around 2016, the dems shifted hard left on social issues and it did create a form of backlash politics that led to the rise of Trump. But ultimately, I think most of us still have similar economic views, we're just fed up with social issues sucking the air out of the room. Because we still have economic concerns that need to be met.
However, a shared loathing of the liberal establishment is probably the right’s most convincing case for leftist conversion.
In the days of Reagan, or even Newt Gingrich, conservative politics was philosophical and policy-driven. Theoretically at least, voters either supported the “Contract with America” or didn’t. Today, however, the Republican Party has abandoned the idea of even offering a platform: You either hate the cringey, crooked lying libs or you don’t. A left that already enjoys dwelling on the misdeeds of the Democratic elite — “denying” Bernie Sanders the presidency and so on — is an open door for conservatives to push. In time, Democrats devolve in the millennial leftist imagination from being “no better” to objectively worse; the GOP rises from “making some good points” to being actively necessary.
Fueled in part by anti-liberal animus, Sanders-to-Trump voters were a well-documented phenomenon that helped Republicans retake the White House in 2016. Many of those voters never came back, and the Sanders coalition became smaller and more ideological in 2020. Yet the Sanders-to-Trump migration continued, with some polls taken before the 2020 vote suggesting the number of converts could be as high as 15 percent. Doubtless this played a role in Trump increasing his share of the millennial vote by 8 percent.
Eh, yeah, some of that did happen. I've talked to voters like that. I generally dont respect their viewpoints much, but yes, the GOP is a party with no platform that some people support simply to punish the democrats and their obsession over social issues. And I do think that in the process dems have permanently lost some voters due to their decisions. Pursuing centrist neoliberalism combined with wokeism did drive some sanders people to trump. We see this with the jimmy dore type people. It happens. But those guys are generally extreme, and not very smart. But yes, some have backlashed so hard they're now republicans. I'm not sure that they can be brought back or not, but the demograpghics I posted above show that most millennials still lean left. We just dislike the current brand of conservatism as it exists.
Like really, those guys existing is part of the reason I've explicitly shifted toward Yang support. Because the left has gotten so extreme they're at times going full on stupid, and I just don't have a low enough IQ or education level to follow them. But still, will they remain lifelong conservatives? Who the hell knows? I would say if they do, it was the democrats' fault. They had the perfect opportunity in 2016 and they blew it because they were too corporate and too centrist to realize what they had.
Fast-forward a decade or two and imagine millennials in their 50s and 60s. Do you suppose we’ll find a crop of seniors still interested in being on the bleeding edge of left-wing politics? Or a generation that’s simply settled into a kind of conservatism they would have recognized in their parents and grandparents — a conservatism born from confidence that they did their part when it mattered, but what the nation needs now is a strong Republican government capable of keeping a new, illegitimate progressive movement from ruining the nation with its immature nonsense?
The second scenario strikes me as a matter of “when,” not “if” — and the “when” is already underway.
Honestly, if this happens, it will be a darned shame. It will mean that the democrats failed to win over this generation, and that they've instead given into reactionary politics. Instead of rising above the duopoly as it exists they became its victims and ran like mice through a maze toward the predetermined point the maze makers intended. It would mean that the elites won over the voters, and the voters allowed themselves to be brainwashed into complacency. it could happen, but if it does, that speaks more to the volumes of how badly the democratic party screwed up than anything else.
Still, I think there's time to reverse course. In all honesty, I think millennials and zoomers have politics unlike those of the older generations of politics. Hillary, Biden, and Trump, are primarily gen X and boomer candidates. They pushed these guys. Young people like us and gen Z? We were just stuck going along for the ride. We were outnumbered in primaries (or in the GOP's case barely present at all), and the powers that be foisted these candidates onto us. Because they didn't want to give us what we wanted.
The future this author offers is scary. It's one where we just grow to accept the duopoly as it exists. But...I'm not sure that's going to happen. 2024 and 2028 are going to be important elections, and they could go in many different ways. Normally toward the end of a realignment period, there is a period of crisis, and that of flux. We might even see third parties become more common and supported.
HOnestly, I think the rational move right now, is to embrace third parties. To reject both the democrats and the republicans. If we allow ourselves to be lulled into complacency by fear and lesser evilism, a weak and ineffectual corporate democratic party obsessed with social issues and a backlash driven conservative party driving itself toward fascism will be the future. But, it doesn't have to be that way. But in order to derail this future from happening, independents need to do their part to throw their weight around, and push for other alternatives. This is why i supported the greens in 2016 and 2020, I knew there was no good future to come out of supporting the democrats. You just keep voting them and they'll ignore you. But supporting the GOP is just madness to me.
Anyone backlash driven who wants to take on the whole system, in my opinion, must reject BOTH parties. DON'T support Trump's GOP. But also don't support the democratic party. Reject both. And vote for third parties, and then watch the realignment happen. Millennials regularly say they want a third party...but then they end up voting for the duopoly. Stop doing that. If you don't want this guy's predictions to be the future, you have to organize to derail the whole thing.
I personally support the forward party, but I could see more traditional leftists supporting the peoples' party or the greens. And I could see some on the right supporting the libertarians. Kinda cringey too but hey, given Trump they aren't looking that bad right now.
But yeah. If millennials, and gen Z, want to change things, that's what they have to do. if the politicians dont listen to you, don't vote for the other major party, if you really wanna screw the system up, vote third party. That's way more impactful than "owning the libs" with a Trump vote.
I still think this guy misreads the situation. The problem is the democratic party isn't listening, but the solution isnt supporting republicans. it's supporting neither. Dealign from the two parties, and make the system move toward you. Remember, the politicians are responsible to you. Not the other way around. The parties might scream about how you must vote for them or else, but if both options are terrible, you can't support either of them. If enough people do that, we'll have a realignment.
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