So, I just finished watching Medhi Hassan debate 20 far righters in one of those debates, and it was cringe. Not in the Jordan peterson way, he didnt fall apart, but my gosh, let's just say, if this is what the average red hat thinks in this country, we are SCREWED.
Like, I feel like America has stage 4 metastasized cancer. We always had these strains of beliefs in our society, but seeing so many people openly embrace fascist, theocratic, and anti democratic ideals is disturbing. These guys dont care about the constitution. They dont care about human rights. Freedom. Like, some of them are straight up nazis. others are straight up christian nationalists. They long for dictatorship, but only on their terms. They are EXTREMELY racist and anti immigrant.
I mean, one thing I'll ironically agree with these guys on is that as a nation, we are supposed to have a coherent set of values. However, I thought we did. Dedication to freedom, democracy, tolerance toward others. I thought we were the country where it's like, we all dont see eye to eye with each other, but we can like tolerate each other and get along, right? But watching these guys? Im starting to get to the point of the "we can't tolerate the intolerant" people. Like these MFers really stretch my tolerance toward people with different views. It's basically because they're authoritarian fascists who wanna force their ideas on me and others.
Like, my ideals are based on enlightenment values. Why enlightenment values? because from a secular humanist point of view, morality is a matter of trial and error and those ideas are THE ideas because they produce the best results. We dont wanna live under authoritarianism and theocracy and those who want to control others. Because that's bad for everyone except for the tiny minority doing the oppressing. We literally developed these ideas to get away from that and move on as a species toward something better.
But these "dark enlightenment" types, or anti enlightenment types, they wanna go back. They wanna go back to the age where kings and religion controlled everything. They act like life is so much better under those principles. It wasn't. We fought revolutions and had centuries, LITERAL, CENTURIES of progress to get away from these and make society better, and these dumb fricks wanna throw it all away and go back to like the 1100s. Like we're talking pre magna carta here.
And on immigration. Like, there was one moderate guy I could kinda sorta find common ground on. Yes, we shouldnt be open borders. my own ideas on immigration are complex, nuanced, and TLDR, I was fine with Obama and Biden. They deported people, they just did it HUMANELY. Well, at least relatively humanely. Point is, we were addressing the problem, and doing it far better than what trump is doing. We dont need to throw people into a concentration camp in the middle of the FRICKING FLORIDA EVERGLADES in order to make a point. These guys are just cruel, they're evil. I mean, this crap is EVIL.
But yeah. If you want to stop people from coming in and having kids in the US who we call citizens when their parents came here illegally, fine. Even on trump's first day, I said, I'm not opposed to ending birthright citizenship for those people specifically. I wouldnt end it for everyone. I wouldnt want to go to some blood based system based on some insane racial hierarchy (because we all know thats code for white nationalism). But like...if your parents were here legally and you were born here, you should be an american citizen. Period.
And I certainly wouldnt be telling Medhi Hassan to gtfo because he's of indian descent to his face. That's insane. Again, these people are insane. I lost even more faith in humanity watching this.
Let me put it this way. if these guys were immigrants wanting to come into the country, these are the kinds of people who would make me agree with the right and say no. Because we dont need reactionary people here who dont respect democracy, the rule of law, the constitution, and are intolerant frickwits. Like when we talk assimilation, I want people who can at the very least have some civic respect for the US here as a free country with equality and justice for all. Like really. I feel like, after watching this, WE are the "craphole country" now. I'm dead serious. We are the craphole country. We are the ones full of illiberal, intolerant people who dont understand or respect basic customs essential to our way of life. They talk such a big game about our way of life, but they dont understand crap. I mean, what exactly are they for here? Christian theocracy? White ethnonationalism? They're fascists. let's just call them fascists. Nazis or nazi adjacent. F these people. If anyone is a fundamental threat to our democracy and way of life, it's these people. Sorry, not sorry.
Like really, these guys are pushing me toward that paradox of intolerance mindset where we can't tolerate the intolerant. Because we are literally losing our country. Our free country, to this fascist movement. And it scares me. I fear for the future of America here. I dont even recognize us any more.
I used to be conservative, but I was never this bad. Like, I was that moderate wing of the GOP that was opposing trump that lost to the Trump movement. And while that movement deserved to die out itself, what has replaced it is far worse.
Also, just as a disclaimer. I don't really have intolerance toward anyone. Like, say christianity. I dont like christianity as a religion, as an ex christian myself, but I believe people should be FREE to be christian. people should be FREE under our constitution to practice their religion in peace. I just dont want that stuff in government telling ME what I should be doing my life, or anyone else for that matter. And those ideas shouldn't destroy liberal democracy. Ya know what I mean?
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