So...there was some discussion on the internet about why intel is behind AMD today, and I wanted to give my thoughts. Unfortunately on the forum I was on I got swarmed by AMD fanboys wanting to do their typical anti intel and pro AMD hugbox crap, and I decided to give my own account here. I admit, historically I'm a bit intel biased, but mainly because I bought AMD in the past CPU wise and I always felt like I got burned. The athlon XPs seemed to age worse than the Pentium 4s in some way, AMD through the core 2 era seemed to be falling behind, and when I got a phenom II X4 965, it aged poorly vs the intel first gen core series at the time. AMD has historically had a problem with their CPUs just...performing worse in gaming, and while they've since corrected the issue and are now the dominant CPU company for gamers if anything, yeah, I've been skeptical of AMD and that does lead to a slight bias. However, at the same time, performance is performance, and that's what I care about. From say, 2006-2017, AMD was just behind, sometimes laughably so (remember when they bombed so bad they stopped making new consumer CPUs for 5 years?), but beyond that, I really have nothing against the company and if they put out good products, I'll give them credit for that.
As such, let's really start from the top here.
2017- Intel 7th gen vs Ryzen 1st gen
So...I actually bought a CPU in early 2017 around this time. I was still hanging onto that old phenom II X4 965 that aged poorly, but quite frankly, most CPUs since just didn't provide enough of a performance jump to justify buying anything newer. I mean, the 2500k came out the year after I bought in 2011, it set the standard for the next half decade of PC gaming, and the 3570k, 4570k, 4670k, 6600k, and 7600k were all kinda just, iterations of the same thing. Unlike the GPU market today, intel didnt create tons of new tiers of products, although they did segment anything above 4 cores 8 threads into their "high end desktop" line, which was prohibitively expensive for most people.
But then AMD promised a come back with their ryzen line. It was hyped up as having haswell like IPC, with decent clock speeds, and promised to put pressure on intel to do better. So...I originally planned to upgrade the weekend ryzen dropped and to get like a 1600x or 1700. Instead, I took one look at reviews and I was like..."yeah, I'm getting the 7700k."
The fact is...for me....as a gamer...AMD bombed again. While Ryzen had nice synthetics and impressive core count, their architecture just...was not great at gaming. I didn't want to buy a 7600k and be stuck with 4 cores in 2017, only having a slightly better processor than i could've bought in 2011-2013, but I also didn't want to have AMD's new CPU with poor single thread performance in gaming. So I bit the bullet and paid top dollar on a 7700k build at the time. It was the best decision I could have made, but I always regretted how terrible my timing was here. While the 7700k was the one kaby lake processor that didn't age absolutely like milk, compared to what was to come in late 2017 onward, it was underwhelming.
Still, ryzen wasn't much better.
Like, just to compare the CPUs at various price ranges:
7700k vs 1700- The 1700 had poor single thread performance. Sure it had tons of cores but those cores were a good 30-40% worse than intel in gaming performance. Which was like bulldozer levels of performance deficits vs the intel equivalent. At that point, it doesnt matter if you have twice as many, they suck.
7600k vs 1600- Here, AMD did pretty well. Intel being stuck on 4 core 4 thread in 2017 still made the 6 core 12 thread 1600 actually look attractive. While it still lost to the quad core in single thread heavy games, it had a lot of potential in the long term for multithreaded titles.
7400/7500 vs 1400/1500x- Here, it was a wash. The 4 core 8 thread ryzen CPUs had more threads, but the single core oomph of the intel chips kinda sorta made them better choices. But at the end of the day, again, it was a wash.
7350k vs 1400/1500- Yeah intel had an OCable i3 that cost as much as a locked i5 back then. it sucks. At this point the 7400/7500 were better choices outright, and the so were the ryzen chips
7100/7300 vs 1200/1300x- Here, we had 2 core 4 threads vs 4 core 4 threads. Once again, it was kind of a wash, but at the same time, I'd probably give the edge to AMD here.
And if I went into HEDT territory:
6800k/6850k vs 1700x/1800x: For gaming, the intel chips were better, although honestly, given all these chips were slower than the 7700k, they werent ideal purchases either way.
Late 2017/Early 2018- Intel 8th gen vs AMD 1st gen
So, and this is why i regretted buying the 7700k, AMD pushing such a promising new CPU series lit a fire under intel to FINALLY upgrade their core counts, and here we got the CPUs that we should've had all along. 50% faster than kaby lake in multithread, these were far better value than kaby lake, and kinda made my 7700k look like crap within a year. Still, at least i didn't have a 7600k or worse...
8700k vs 1700/1700x/1800x- The 7700k already beat the Ryzen 7 line at the time. The 8700k was like, "stop stop, it's already dead".
8600k vs 1600x- Yeah you basically got 7700k level performance for i5 prices now, and once again, it just stomped AMD at the time
8400 vs 1600- Same song and dance.
8350k vs 1500x- Yeah, here you had an i3 on par with a 7600k. And it kinda made the 1500x look kinda bad.
8100 vs 1300x- Again, not even a fair fight.
So at this point, AMD BTFOed, Intel ahead.
Late 2018/early 2019- Intel 8th/9th gen vs Ryzen 2nd gen
AMD struck back and released a 2nd gen ryzen which was a decent improvement over the first, but...it really couldn't compete with the intel coffee lake CPUs at the time for gaming. INtel's 14th nm was just too good. And while if The Ryzen 2000 series went up against kaby lake, I would've bought one....not vs coffee lake. Still, they deserve a participation trophy for trying.
As for intel 9th gen, it's just more 8th gen, barely any performance gains so I'm just gonna treat them the same.
8700k/9700k vs 2700x- While the 2700x was very competitive with my 7700k, vs the 8700k, yeah, it just couldn't compete.
8600k/9600k vs 2700- The good thing about these AMD chips is that the cheaper ryzen 7 went up against the core i5, which was a more fair fight. At the same time, the 8600k just....still performed a bit better. Still, it was close. The 2700/2700x had a lot of potential long term to outperform the 8600k/9600k, but...it just didn't in practice. By the time games used 8c/16t regularly enough to matter, both CPUs were obsolete. Kind of a cautionary tale with buying into the "moar coars" narrative. Sure, it might regain some footing long term but by then, you'll be looking to upgrade anyway and you'll have gotten more value out of higher single thread in the mean time.
8400/9400 vs 2600/2600x- I still give the edge to intel. I do know some OCed and tuned the 2600x to slightly outperform the 8400/9400 in some situations, but all in all, for most buyers, the intel CPUs were a better value out of the box.
8100/9100 vs 1600af- So, the 1600af was a rereleased 1600 based on zen+ that replaced the lower core count CPUs and it was a pretty decent value vs the i3s at the time. I mean, 6 cores 12 threads is gonna be better than 4 cores 4 threads by this point, especially given stuff like battlefield 5 and the upcoming COD warzone absolutely CHOKE on 4 threads.
8100/9100 vs 1500x/2400g- Here it's more of a wash. AMD's 4 core 8 thread parts really werent that impressive, but again, having a quad core with no hyperthreading in 2017 or later was just...bad. Like, really, the low end at the time was just kinda bad in general and none of these parts aged well with how fast CPU technology was advancing now that we had competition in the market again.
2019- Intel 9th gen vs Ryzen 3rd gen
So this is where the competition with Intel started heating up. 1st 2 gens of ryzen sucked. Like, I'm sorry, I know there's a lot of AMD fanboys out there that act like they were good, they werent. In single thread performance, AMD lagged behind intel a solid 20-40% depending on sku in that era, which negated any performance having more cores had in gaming. It was only when AMD offered a decent amount of cores and threads vs intel being too cheap to give you a decent amount for the era that AMD excelled. Again, think 6 core 12 thread CPUs vs 4 core 4 thread ones. Yuck. It took AMD offering 3x the threads just to make early ryzen attractive to buyers.
That changed a bit with zen 2. Here, AMD closed the gap enough where they were now "good enough." As we'll see with intel 10th gen, once core parity was achieved with AMD, intel still held their own, but assuming AMD operated at an advantage, they could do well assuming they were just close enough to intel to do well. And here, zen 2 did achieve parity with intel 14th nm on paper, in synthetics. In gaming, due to latency issues related to the architecture, they were still behind, but really, it was ALMOST there for AMD by this point. Anyway, let's look at the products:
9700k vs 3700x- Here you couldn't go wrong either way, but I'd probably bet on the SMT of the 3700x being better in the long term.
9400/9600k vs 3600/3600x- Ditto. Sure, intel still had that nominal single thread advantage, but SMT was nothing to sneeze at, and future thinking buyers would be better served with a 6 core 12 thread CPU than just a 6 core intel CPU.
9100 vs 3100/3300x- So to discuss the 3300x for a minute. it was rare, but it did kind of have an advantage no other zen 2 CPU had at the time: it was actually monolithic meaning no latency. The core issue with AMD up to this point was their chiplet design introduced latency between cores that didn't exist on intel CPUs at the time, and this was a zen 2 chip that showed what zen 2 could do when not hamstrung by latency. It performed like a 7700k, which put it squarely more up against the 9400 and the like in performance, while being cheap AF. It was actually almost as good as a 3600x overall. But, this one existed in limited quantities, so it wasnt widespread.
The 3100 on the other hand, was a bit weaker as it still used chiplets held together by "infinity fabric" and had the latency penalty as a result. It was arguably better than a 9100, and it was a decent product for its price, but yeah, kinda underwhelming given its cooler older brother existed and actually mopped the floor with intel in the low end market when it was available.
Early 2020- Intel 10th gen vs AMD 3rd gen
Once again, intel came up ahead again. AMD and intel now matched each other core for core. And Intel comes out ahead for me. Again, looking at gaming. Still, it was a bit of a wash because of pricing at times.
10700k vs 3700x- Intel wins
10600k vs 3600x- Intel wins
10400 vs 3600- More of a wash due to the 10400 being lower clocked, but I'd still give a slight edge to intel
10100 vs 3300x- I'd give the edge to the 3300x, but otherwise, it's a wash
10100 vs 3100- Intel wins
So here, intel mostly won. But this is where the narrative starts to change.
Late 2020- Intel 10th gen vs AMD 3rd/5th gen
So...remember the 3300x? What if AMD made their entire next lineup like that? Ya know, monolithic dies, no latency penalty. And let's throw in an insane IPC increase. Yeah, that's what AMD did here. And here, AMD took the lead in the market.
10700k vs 5800x- AMD wins
10600k vs 5600x- AMD wins
10400 vs 3600x- It's a wash, but AMD maybe slightly more attractive given the 3600x is now an older chip sold cheaper
10100 vs 3100- Eh, give it to intel
But yeah, The ryzen 5000 series was super expensive at first, but it had the best single threaded performance. AMD just won here. Full stop. Intel was now behind.
Early 2021- Intel 11th gen vs AMD 5th gen
Intel, stop, what are you doing?! So, rocket lake was a failure. It was a sidegrade from 10th gen. It was better in some applications, worse in others, and it really wasnt worth buying. AMD 5th gen was though. Given this was a 10th gen repeat, I'll skip exact comparisons.
Late 2021-Early 2022- Intel 12th gen vs AMD 5th gen
Intel did strike back with its 12th gen though. The 12th gen was very good, but also kind of weird. It had DDR4 and DDR5 configurations. It did away with the monolithic design that gave intel so much strength in gaming for so long in favor of adding e cores, or low powered cores that gave intel the ability to throw way more cores on a CPU than previously. Still, intel did achieve MASSIVE IPC and clock gains here, and while the CPUs were monstrous in heat and power consumption, they were actually pretty solid. I bought one myself cheaply at the end of 2023, getting the flagship 12900k in a $400 microcenter bundle. FOr reference, that's budget i5 money. Like $400 for a CPU, motherboard, AND RAM? That's a good deal. AMD had decent deals too but I wasn't particularly liking the stability of their new 7th gen processors at the time, so I played it safe though. But I digress, let's really look at it here at the time.
12700k/12900k vs 5800X3D- So....the 5000 series was a 1 2 punch for AMD. Not only did they have their 5000 series fix so many issues their previous CPUs did, but then they added a ton of cache on top of them which further mitigated the latency issues they historically had, which made them take off like rocket ships. And while the 12700k/12900k were excellent products with tons of cores and awesome gaming performance, they were WAY too expensive for their value. And AMD just moved in with the 5800X3D, which was a turbo charged 5800x with that extra cache I was just talking about that went blow to blow with the 12900k for far less money. And of course, it manhandled the 12700k too.
12600k vs 5700x/5800x- So...how Intel does vs AMD here depends on whether you went with DDR4 vs DDR5 RAM. on DDR4, you were comparable with an AMD 5th gen CPU. On DDR5, which was prohibitively expensive at the time, Intel won. Still, given AM4 was very affordable, cost for cost, DDR4 is probably more comparable, especially as AMD reduced the prices of their processors to match intel.
12400 vs 5600x- Another wash, given most people on intel went DDR4 at the time.
12100 vs 3600x- Eh, I'd go with stronger cores over more weaker ones so I'd go Intel here.
So all in all, at this point, it's a wash, but I'd still give it to AMD simply because their CPUs were more attractively priced and often offered better value.
Late 2022- early 2023- Intel 12th/13th gen vs AMD 5th/7th gen
So this is where we start getting into me planning my next build. I decided to target 5800X3D level performance given by christmas 2023 it was likely to become affordable, but still, before we get there, let's discuss the market.
AMD was bifurcated between their cheaper AM4 CPUs, and their expensive AM5. The 7000 series AMD CPUs were newer and more powerful, with the 7700x matching the 5800X3D without 3D vcache, but it was very prohibitively expensive, which made the 5000 series a nice budget platform.
On the intel side, raptor lake looked promising, with the 13600k matching the 12900k and 5800X3D in gaming performance, and until the 7800X3D hit, honestly, both brands seemed to trade blows. Raptor lake was so good it dropped the price of alder lake 12th gen significantly. 5th gen was getting dirt cheap, and yeah, there was lots of competition all around. To go into it:
13700k vs 7700x- Eh, I'd go intel for the e cores, you had the same performance either way but then intel had like 8 extra mini cores with their CPU.
13600k vs 5800X3D/7600x- Eh, its a tough one here. It really depends on the exact prices. Again, AM4 might be cheapest so the 5800X3D is a solid option. The 7600x was prohibitively expensive given you needed to spend $300 on a CPU, $200 for a motherboard, and $200 on RAM at the time as it forced you to use DDR5. So...13600k vs any of those, it was like....okay I'd probably take it over a 7600x, which seemed like a poor value at the time since 6c/12t is kinda the minimum at this point anyway. But at the same time, the 5800X3D might be cheaper than the 13600k. Again, it's a wash.
13500 vs 5700x/5800x- Eh the 13500 was a weird product and was kinda overpriced, but it was better than the 5700x/5800x IMO.
12600k/13400 vs 5700x/5800x- This is more appropriate of a comparison, and it really depended on what was cheaper. So it's a wash, especially on DDR4 which most budget buyers would still buy.
12400 vs 5600x- Wash
12100 vs 5500- 12100 all the way. Again, AMD just selling 6 cores with weak architecture while intel's selling quad cores with decent architecture. And yes, they have hyperthreading so they're not bad.
Late 2023/early 2024- Intel 12th-14th gen vs AMD 5th/7th gen
So this is when I pulled the trigger on a build. Before I go into more objective comaprisons, I'll say this. I got my build from microcenter, they had very good deals you couldnt get elsewhere and i got crap for WAY cheaper than you could get ANYWHERE else. I'll go into my own debates later on in this section, but to just paint the picture of how things were at this time:
13700k/14700k vs 7800X3D- The 7800X3D had, and still had, unrivaled dominance performance wise. it was quite expensive, comparable to an i7 CPU around $400ish at the time, but it was well worth it for most who bought.
As for me, I could've gone for this tier at microcenter for $500 for a whole bundle. I was highly tempted, but I didn't because the bundle in question had sketchy reviews at the time due to the RAM/motherboard combos. AM5 was very twitchy at launch and is still twitchy today, and I was turned off. To be fair, not long after this it turned out raptor lake developed massive issues with voltage frying CPUs and oxidation in the manufacturing process so a lot of people got burned far worse on the 13th/14th gen at the time, but yeah. 2023, you had tons of options and amazing deals, but if you bought the wrong products from either company, you'd get burned. Intel raptor lake customers got it worst, there's no excuse for that level of widespread issues, but let's be real, AMD had its own, more minor issues too.
I ended up going the next tier down and saved $100 anyway.
12900k/13600k vs 7700x- Eh the 12900k was ONLY worth buying in microcenter, but it is the same tier of product as the above CPUs in performance, so eh...yeah. Honestly, I went intel, again, in part due to issues with microcenter combos, but also, intel just had more cores. Yeah yeah yeah, AMD has more futureproof sockets, but given how twitchy their new socket seemed to be, I really didnt wanna risk getting a lemon here.
12900k actually ended up being a quite good purchase. It was one of the few CPUs on a mature platform that had the kinks worked out, AND it had solid mid range performance. This is my daily driver.
Vs 13600k, if you could get that cheaper, it was also quite good, but uh...13th gen had issues, just a heads up on that...
7700x just...lacks ecores. Just as powerful as the other processors here give or take, maybe even a little better in single thread, but yeah, we're talking like a 10% gap at most here. It was kind of a middling product at this point between the 7800X3D on the one hand, and discounted intel stuff.
12700k./13500 vs 5700X3D/7600x- Sure, intel had more cores and threads here, but the 5700X3D was a 5800X3D but slightly slower and a whole lot cheaper. It kind of manhandled intel CPUs. The 7600x was also decent with the right discounts, but I really felt like buying into AM5 given its prices if youre budget tier was just...no. Too expensive.
So yeah it kinda depends on prices, but I lean toward AMD
12600k/13400 vs 5700x/5800x- Same debate, still a wash
12400 vs 5600x- Again, a wash
12100 vs 5500- Intel again
So yeah, it's very competitive here. Given the raptor lake debacle being just so terribly bad it kinda tilts the value discussion to AMD here, yeah, I'd probably go AMD mostly, but at the same time, I did buy intel in my own situation, so...
Again, not everyone has a microcenter in reasonable driving distance, so..
2024-2025- Intel 12th gen-"2nd gen" vs AMD 5th/7th/9th gen
So this is where we get to the modern day. 5th gen chips are still cheap but increasingly bad value as AM5 prices come down, intel CPUs are also decent options. Although their newest core ultra 200 series is hot garbage. They pulled an AMD. They created a new architecture, it has horribly latency penalties, its super expensive, and their chips perform like my 12900k, which I've owned for 1.5 years, but is going on 4 as a chip. I have to say, that said, the 12900k is aging well, I mean, the 7700k was outdone by the 3300x within 3 years and the 10100 was almost as strong as it. Here I got a decent chip that's still comparable to most modern intel flagships.
AMD released the 9000 series, but outside of the X3D line, which has gotten insanely expensive due to high demand and AMD arguably limiting production of its older 7800X3D, very few gains were had. So we're stagnating. Yay...
7800X3D-9800X3D vs 14900k/265k/285k- Older 12th-14th gen is now quite cheap with even the 24 core 13900k/14900k being around $400-500 now. The 7800X3D and 9800X3D also cost around that much. Obviously, for gaming, the AMD chips win. it's not a contest. Intel has ZERO answer for X3D, which is why everyone dunks on them. However, this is only the highest tier of performance, and we're talking $400-500 CPUs here so...yeah.
Core ultra is especially bad. Like, dont even buy them. It's basically intel's bulldozer moment. They literally perform like my 12900k due to horrible latency and regressed from the 13th/14th gen in gaming. And they're very overpriced.
So...AMD wins here, easily...
13700k/14700k/245k vs 7700x/9700x- However, outside of the X3D range, intel is still quite competitive, which is why I'm not anti intel. Sure, avoid the 245k like the plague, but the 13700k/14700k are still decent CPUs, and intel allegedly fixed their voltage issues assuming you update the bios. So you get more cores than AMD here. But yeah, the 7700x/9700x are a more stable product at this point, although Im still under the impression stability issues do exist on AM5 as well...
So...it's a wash I guess? Like, there's pros and cons either way.
13600k/14600k vs 7600x/9600x- Honestly, I really cant justify a 6 core 12 thread chip in 2025. The e cores make intel chips far more well rounded IMO.
12700k vs 7500f/5700X3D- AM4 isnt really worth buying at this point as its getting more expensive. I guess. The 7500f is a cheaper 7600x, it can be an entry level CPU for AM5. The 12700k is still a decent budget option though.
12600k/13400/14400 vs 5700x- The eternal debate rages and it's still a wash.
12400 vs 5600x- Nowadays I find the 12400 cheaper so I'd get that.
12100/13100/14100 vs 5500- Just get the quad core, bro.
Conclusion
So...what can we say about the state of the CPU market? Well, it's weird. Rather than having new product lines fully replace old ones, AMD seems to be just letting their older CPUs at discount fill up the lower end, leading to lots of cheaper 5000 series and even 7000 series CPUs by this point. Intel does release new CPUs, but its very much the same, with 12th and even 13th/14th gen chips flooding the low end and midrange of the market. This leads to lots of competition and amazing deals.
While AMD definitely holds the edge at the high end with their X3D CPUs and intel REALLY doesnt have an answer for those, for anything below that, both companies are solid. i bought a 12900k myself, but I wouldnt NORMALLY recommend it outside of the microcenter combos. It's often very overpriced for what it offers (like 13700k/14700k type pricing while giving 13600k type performance), and yeah. It is hot, it is energy heavy. But at the same time, it's quite competent. UNlike GPUs, the CPU market is amazing right now.
Intel IS losing its grip on dominance. As we saw, they started out way ahead, they kinda stagnated while AMD continued to improve, and then they kinda reached parity with AMD. Then AMD is knocking them out with X3D, while they're dealing with scandals like the 13th/14th gen voltage debacle, and the core ultra series kinda sucks, so yeah, it's not good to be intel right now. AMD definitely has the upper hand, and is well positioned for the future. Still, again, unless youre going for gaming performance at the high end, and by high end, I mean, $450 for a CPU or so, intel is still decent. Just avoid ultra and buy a cheaper 12th-14th gen CPU. Theyre still good. Although...make sure you update your BIOs if you buy a 13th/14th gen K series CPU.
So...yeah. I guess AMD is better these days. Still, again, I think people overexaggerate issues, and I myself bought intel and am happy with it...so...yeah. Again, if youre not in the market for a 7800X3D/9800X3D, intel and AMD are both pretty solid. AMD has a more futureproof socket, Intel has more cores. Quite frankly, I think my 12900k is going to remain relevant for quite a while and I cant see myself upgrading for several more years. So yeah.