So, I had a post about this, but it was related to the Rammstein stuff I deleted, but there actually are A LOT of points that I want to bring back from those posts into this one. And the big focus is that the SJWs really are like the left wing equivalent of fundie christians. They're culture warriors who want to shove their ideals for how people should live down peoples' throats, and now, they're basically coming for Rammstein, regardless of the veracity of the allegations.
I've struggled to actually talk about these specific issues from a left wing perspective because whenever I do, I feel like other lefties dog pile on me for being some crude "incel", despite me think incels are just as toxic as the most toxic feminists. But, in this post, the band aid is coming off.
First of all, "power differentials". I talk a lot about power differentials on this blog. I mean, being an indepentarian and looking at things from my "freedom to ACTUALLY say no" perspective, I tend to be sensitive to power differentials. But we often hear, in relation to the idea of Rammstein having groupies, that ew theres something SOOOO wrong with a 60 year old rock star wanting to have sex with a 20 something year old fan. And even though the original accuser's story is looking more and more false, I feel like now the SJW types whipped up into their moral outrage mode are starting to shift to THIS. They claim there's so much of a power differential between a 60 year old male rock star and their impressionable female fans, and there's a bit of a power dynamic in play that kind of invalidates consent.
And I just wanna say that this is nonsense. First of all. Going to a concert is voluntary. Second of all, meeting your idol is voluntary. Third of all, having sex with them is voluntary. People who end up in the positions of being groupies and having sex with Till Lindemann WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH TILL LINDEMANN. Like really, we need to get rid of this big powerful male takes advantage of innocent wallflower young woman. We have age of consent laws to prevent abuse, assuming the person having sex with Lindemann is 18+, i DONT CARE if they do it if its consensual. GET OVER IT.
Because, let's be honest, as a Rammstein/Lindemann fan, let me just say, more than a lot of the female fanbase is thirsty for till. They talk about how hot he is, some of them even make erotic fanfic about him for crying out loud. And these are ADULT WOMEN. If you're 18+, you're LEGALLY an adult. I see people act like omg 60 year old having sex with a 21 year old so gross. MEN LIKE TO HAVE SEX, AND MANY MEN LIKE TO HAVE SEX WITH YOUNG WOMEN, THIS IS NATURAL, GET OVER IT.
And to go back to the women objectifying members of Rammstein thing, let's think about the shoe on the other foot. If a fan base of 20something year old males objectified an older woman, let's say not 60, because I doubt most men would be attracted to say, Madonna, say someone who is in their 30s. Say Taylor Swift. Wouldnt these guys still see that is "creepy"? Ew, this woman just wants to earn a living singing, why do they wanna objectify her? Poor Taylor! You KNOW it will happen.
Let's be honest, these SJWs are man haters. These "feminist" types are all for advancing the causes of women and rewriting gender relations around womens' issues, but they do it in a one sided way on their own terms, and they tend to create tons of double standards. Because let's face it, these feminists are just the opposite end of the coin from Steven Crowder and MRA types. They inherently see men as strong and powerful, and women as weak, so they attack men and stand up for women, and it doesnt matter so much the context, because the underlying beliefs indicate that one group is more powerful than the other and therefore the weak side is always right and the strong side is always wrong. And it's nonsense.
So, if male fans of a female music star want to bang said female music star, that's objectifying her. But if a male rock star wants to sleep with female fans, that's the rock star being predatory.
It really gets ridiculous after a while.
And then it's not just that. Look at how they attack Lindemann for respecting consent and being angry. I'm not sure if the situation happened as the accuser claims it did, but basically, she said she was led under the stage and Till wanted to have sex with her and she said no, and he got angry. That's another thing SJWs hate, the idea of men getting angry or upset when women say no. I mean, Till RESPECTED THE CONSENT, and that's the important thing that mattered, but the fact that he got angry was what made him look bad here. I honestly don't care if he was angry. Men have emotions, and I honestly hate this idea that we're supposed to ask women out on their terms, and if they refuse, you dont push back at all, even if you respect it otherwise. Because how dare the man have EMOTIONS and crap.
And in this situation, it's very well possible the reason Lindemann got mad (if the situation happened at all) was because the guy who led her to him lied to him. She was clear about not wanting sex, and if she was led to Till under the pretense of having it, that means the person who led him to her is at fault here for miscommunication at best, or lying at worst (and for reference I really dont trust the accuser's story at all at this point as she's destroyed her credibility several times over by now).
And yeah, it gets ridiculous. And honestly, as a male, i DO NOT LIKE THIS CRAP. My own ethos is very libertarian. I believe the two things that matter are whether the people are of legal age, and if consent is given. And while I can understand power dynamics around consent and given my nuanced take on power dynamics I take that into the situation, these feminists are way too judgy of Till. OMG MEN WANNA HAVE SEX WITH YOUNG WOMEN, THE HORROR. OMG MEN DONT LIKE REJECTION, THE HORROR. Is everyone consenting and is consent being respected? If so, then you need to shut up and mind your own business. Like, I'm so over these SJWs. We cant enjoy ANYTHING because of them. They're a bunch of extremists who just come in and start dictating how people should act. I didn't leave Christianity to deal with this crap.
Again, as long as everyone is consenting, of legal age, and consent isn't coerced in a realistic way (including say, drugging women to make them consent more easily, which has no been demonstrated here), then honestly, it's not up to me how you live your life. if you wanna have sex with a rock star, and they want to have sex with you, go for it. My interest in these allegations was limited to the allegations themselves insofar as they relate to drugging, sexual assault, and potential human trafficking (yeah, they're really spiralling out of hand and getting dark), and because these allegations aren't even credible, then there's nothing more to see here. This issue should be dying off already, but the SJW moralizers keep coming in and refusing to acknowledge reality, or if they do start moving goalposts to find something else to get outraged about. And they need to chill.
If you dont like Rammstein and Till Lindemann, think his music is too sexual, too misogynist, fine, but trying to cancel him and shut him down for it is where i draw the line, as well as defending false allegations. Where do these people get off in being the morality police? Get out of here already.
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