Okay, so...the DSA's take on eliminating the senate has gotten some waves recently, and I wanted to discuss the issue myself, after having a debate about it. I would say I'm SOMEWHAT in support of it, but I also do understand there are some valid reservations, and wanna work through all of that. I ain't ride or die on this idea, heck, given steep political opposition I kind of see it as some long term thing that's never gonna happen similar to actually ending birthright citizenship for the children of illegals the RIGHT way (as in, super majorities and passing a constitutional amendment), but idk, i do think we should at least discuss the idea as I don't think it's as bad as people think it is.
Why we have the senate in the first place
So, while conservatives love to revere the founding fathers as if they were demigods or prophets who could never be wrong, they were people too. High minded people, but themselves fallible, and subjected to the biases of their times, and the biases of things like their social classes (which is actually relevant here).
The constitution itself was passed out of compromise. Their main goal was to get all of the states on board. For the legislature, there were two primary plans for it. You had the "virginia plan" that was based on population and favored large states like virginia and pennsylvania at the time, ya know, where the real population centers were. But some also feared that this would disenfranchise small states, like, say, new Jersey, Delaware, Rhode Island, Connecticut, etc. So we also had the "New Jersey Plan", a plan for a legislature that ended up representing all states equally. Basically, we passed both plans. The virginia plan became the house, the new jersey plan became the senate. This is civics 101.
Discussing the "tyranny of the majority"
Speaking of civics 101, I feel like when I argue with people online on this, they parrot civics 101 answers without thinking about what they mean. Like, a commonly held belief is that we need the senate as a way to offset the tyranny of the majority, the idea that the masses will make dumb decisions and we need checks and balances on them. Heck, a lot of aspects of our system were implemented because the founders didnt trust the people to make good decisions. People are uneducated, driven by passions, and the founders wanted to slow possible change and progress. So...they implemented a lot of weird wrinkles in our constitutional system, like the electoral college for electing the president, the senate existing and senators originally being chosen by the governors of each state, with no input from the people. And yeah....they didn't actually make our system democratic. "it's a republic" as the dudebros who support this line of thinking say.
But, I look at things like this: if the people aren't making the decisions, who is? If we read plato's republic, he basically has three main forms of government, i mean, its technically 6, with good and bad forms of each one, but Im gonna boil it down to three: rule by one, rule by a few, or rule by the many.
Rule by one is obviously bad. That's a dictatorship. And people are fallible and we need checks and balances to ensure more people have input than just one. But at the same time, let's say we dont trust the masses. What does that leave? Well, it leaves the rule by a few. An oligarchy. A term we hear a lot in this populist era of ours. Heck, any time the word is uttered these days I read it in Bernie Sanders' strong Brooklyn accent. Rule by the few. And the idea is that these few know better than the masses. is this true? Well, it CAN be? But also...no.
Virtually every problem of the modern day i would argue is called by oligarchy. Money in politics, corruption, the GOP having an outsized influence on our elections despite being a minority. And that's the thing. In the modern era, what do these "checks and balances" do? Well, it takes power out of the hands of the people and ensures that rather than getting the tyranny of a majority, we gotta suffer a minority's viewpoint instead. Conservatives get far outsized influence over the government. We can have the people choose a democrat for president but the republicans still win because of the electoral college. The majority of people might want more progressive policies, but a minority ends up holding us back because institutions like the senate give an outsized influence to rural people and their preferences. The house was capped at 435 members, with massive district sizes intentionally designed to dilute the impact of cities and preserve the rural vote. As one person I debated recently say, basically, these institutions are DEI for the rural vote. So instead of having the majority have their views heard, we get a minority. And is that any better? No, it's not like these guys are oh so enlightened and know better than us. They're not technocrats, they're basically a bunch of undereducated hicks with dunning kruger, to be blunt. Even if they were technocrats, we've seen the "technocracy" make a come back under Trump...do we really trust ###holes like Peter Thiel or Elon Musk to be oh so enlightened and to make decisions for the masses? NO! They're gonna make decisions that improve their own pocketbooks. Like, again, we keep having this idea that the masses are stupid and we need these enlightened technocrats to guide us to a prosperous future. Again. How is that working out for us? We're being outmaneuvered by our intellectual lessers. We're putting power in the hands of wealthy oligarchs looking to enrich their own pocketbooks. How is this helping us? How is this benefitting us?
Also, let's not forget, this brilliant idea of the founders is what gave us Donald Trump in the first place! While Trump DID win the popular vote in 2024, he lost it in 2016. Clinton actually won the popular vote by 2-3 points. But because "oh we can't trust the majority to make good decisions" for some reason, we ended up electing the stupidest and most "anti American" president we've ever had in terms of the spirit of our institutions. And the dude IS going in the direction of tyranny. LIke, if our constitution wasnt so robust and had such strong protections on free speech, we'd basically be at the enabling act stage of losing our democracy. I mean, NSPM-7 and this red scare stuff Trump is trying to do over democratic socialists is basically that.
Even for the founders. Did THEY have everyone's best interests at heart? Well, I mentioned class biases, so let's be frank: no. They designed a system where only white male wealthy landowners could vote. And IMO, I think this really gives some insight into their priorities here. Like in the modern day, the US was designed to constrain the masses because if the masses actually had power, they might actually vote away the wealth of upper classes. I mean, they werent gonna give slaves the ability to vote, not only would the southern states not go or it (although we did do the 3/5ths compromise where they counted as 3/5 of a person so they got a boost to their population count even with them being disenfranchised), but could you imagine giving slaves the ability to vote for their own freedom? I mean, it would never happen.
But when we think of modern capitalism, and even the economics of the late 1700s, it's the same thing. Clearly, this economic system benefits some at the expense of others. Well, we can't have a system where those who DONT benefit can vote to, you know, make the system fairer, can we? I mean, think about that. We got a system set up by wealthy aristocrats who lived in existential fear of the masses voting away their property rights and privileges. ANd just like, we couldnt have the literal slaves voting for their freedom, the wealthy aristocrat types today, the real power wielders, the wealthy people who break the system through unlimited campaign donations, who lobby for changes that benefit them, and who basically sometimes run stuff directly in the trump administration, like Elon Musk running DOGE, they dont want the masses voting away THEIR privileged either. They dont want to make the economic system fairer, because then they wouldn't have anyone to exploit, and they might lose their wealth as much of it is redistributed to the masses.
Does the senate prevent or preserve tyranny?
And with that, I wanna leave the discussion on this here somewhat. The people who advocate for preserving the senate see it as a bulwark against tyranny, but what if it actually preserves it? What if it actually is there to protect the wealthy from the masses?
As a matter of fact, let's go even further. As I said, a lot of the nastiest and worst elements of this anti "tyranny of the majority" type system is giving power to a minority, who in the modern day is looking at taking us down a path of authoritarianism if they cant maintain their power. You got the electoral college giving Donald Trump power. You got the senate which gives an outsized influence to a minority of rural voters. The house districts are too big, giving more influence to rural voters, you got gerrymandering, giving influence to the republican party.
And when DSA types start FLOATING ideas like this, you got these guys talking about waging war against communists on our own soil, arguing for larger defense spending. Mike Johnson LITERALLY said that. You got NSPM7 in which anything that goes against republican party orthodoxy is considered "left wing terrorism", with Stephen Miller going on about how were gonna use the power of the government to crack down on left wing terrorists. We got Trump outright calling for the jailing of democratic socialists. We got the mass militarization of the state under trump, and we got trump building what amounts to concentration camps to deport "illegal immigrants", but, again, if we read about the history of Germany's enabling act, this sounds a lot like THEIR playbook. How long is it going to be before Trump decides to weaponize the military against US citizens and throw people in the camps? Like, holy crap, this is what we're on the precipice on as a country, and we're worried that abolishing the senate MIGHT lead to tyranny and gulags one day as Mike Johnson was rambling about? The real tyrants of the American system are the right.I'm not saying we should necessarily let the DSA off the hook, thinking about the long term consequence of their rise, we COULD be in a situation decades from now where they offer a similar threat that the right does today, and some of their proposals flat out SHOULDNT be considered (like making the president and judiciary subservient to congress, I think that's a terrible idea as we're supposed to have 3 coequal branches of government checking and balancing each other), but yeah, right now, the biggest threat to the american system of government comes from the same right that's virtue signalling about saving it from the evil communists. if anything, the narrative of evil communists is a pretext for THEM to get power and do all kinds of tyrannical and F-ed up things to US.
But what about the filibuster?
The filibuster is, these days, often seen as the last line of defense to shut down what the opposing party is doing. However, it isnt an inherent constitutional part of the senate. It was a rule they enacted. originally, the filibuster was related to speaking rules and how youd need 60% of the senate to vote to make a guy stop talking, allowing people to just keep talking for hours, and hours, and hours. Like Strom Thurmond who spoke for 24 hours straight, or Cory Booker who more recently spoke for 25 hours straight. But somewhere along the way, we just decided to have like an auto filibuster that stops the senate from doing anything without 60% of the senate on board. This wasnt how it was originally supposed to work, and this change has been rather negative in the modern era of GOP obstruction. Mitch McConnell if I recall was one of the first who weaponized the filibuster in a way to just shut down ALL legislation. And he did it to Obama, while acting like he was just preventing overreach or something. It was about sabotaging democrats. And now, we got the democrats using it to stall the republicans. This CAN be a good thing in the sense that Trump is failing to change the rules with his "Save America Act", which would heavily restrict voting, but it's also been a thorn in democrats' side. The reason Obamacare never had a public option was the filibuster, and the reason Biden was so ineffective was because of it as well.
So it has its ups and downs. BUT....let's also consider another point. If we werent so concerned about tyranny of the majority, I doubt we would be at the gates of tyranny from the right in the first place. If the democrats could govern more effectively, they'd probably do a better job maintaining voter support. If we didnt have the electoral college, Clinton would have won in 2016. And again, if Biden were more effective, maybe we wouldnt have had Trump rise again in 2024. So we wouldnt be in this situation. We're in this situation because we're like Weimar Germany, with weak ineffective left wing parties losing the support of the people, and a strong right looking to take power by any means and implement whatever authoritarian BS they want. yes, the senate is a check on the trump administration's current power, and their failure to abolish the filibuster is saving us right now. However, we also likely wouldnt be here in the first place had we had a more effective government that worked for the people.
Moreover, I'll be blunt. When democrats retake power in 2028, and we hopefully have a house, senate, and presidency all run by democrats, if we wanna preserve democracy, the democrats gotta RUN WITH IT! They gotta pass their own bills to ensure we cant get a trump again, or we're....gonna get a trump again. And I dont mean bills that disenfranchise people, but bills that make it easier to vote. That actually DO gut the republicans' institutional advantages. And unlike the right, the left will make us MORE democratic. Quite frankly, the whole screams about "tyranny by majority" seem quaint when the other party that benefits from those advantages seems to be trying to take us down a dark path of fascism and permanent minority rule. We wanna give voters MORE power, not less. And these guys crying crocodile tears over "tyranny of the majority" can quite frankly cry over it. But you know what? To make that happen, we need the senate, and we might need to axe the filibuster ourselves. And that's where we're at, btw. I mean....either WE win, or THEY win. I dont doubt that Trump would scrap the filibuster in a second to pass the save act if not for a handful of senators like Thom Tillis who are stopping him. So let's face it, abolishing the filibuster is like that loaded gun on the floor between a hero and a villain in an action movie. Whoever gets to it first wins. And I would actually argue, we might literally need to axe the filibuster just to ensure our republic actually continues unimpeded. I'm dead serious, that's where we're at. If the democrats can't make use of their next blue wave to actually reform the system to safeguard democracy, the next wave of republicans might actually succeed at ensuring permanent minority rule instead, and possibly the actual open persecution of the political opposition.
Conclusion
All in all, whether you're for or against abolishing the senate or not, it's kind of one of those wish list ideas that would never actually happen because the checks and balances of the system are so massive that i cant see a scenario in the foreseeable future where this actually happens. We'd require supermajorities across all levels of the government so discussing it is mostly academic.
You can argue either way on it, but I will say, I dont find the conventional arguments in favor of preserving it as actually convincing. if anything, the more i delve into it, the more I kind of feel like these ideas were intended to disenfranchise the people in favor of an unaccountable minority looking to preserve their own privileges and wealth.
Moreover, when I think about the threat of tyranny in the real world, I am FAR more scared of the modern republican party, who is the primary beneficiary of the institutions staying as they are, as they seem to actively be moving in the direction of tyranny. It's kind of ironic for Mike Johnson screaming about democratic socialists wanting to abolish the senate and how leftism leads to tyranny and gulags when these same people would probably literally stick leftists in literal concentration camps to preserve their own power if they could get away with it.
Like really, the virtue signallers on the right who talk so strongly about preserving America as they understand it are the ones who are the biggest threat to it, if anything. And they're basically to the point of arguing they're destroying the country to save it. In reality, they're just saving their own hides and hiding behind institutional screwery to impose minority rule on the country, claiming that the masses cant be trusted with power, only they can. I mean....if you find that convincing I leave that up to you, but I ask, "what bullcrap is this?"
And yeah, that's how I see it. Also, for the love of god look up the enabling act of 1933 and compare and contrast it to how the republicans are acting right now in 2026. The historical parallels are creepy. I dont think they'll be able to pull it off due to our checks and balances still being a bit more robust than germany's back in the day, but the trump administration is clearly attempting to "go for it" here, and that should alarm us all.
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