Wednesday, May 10, 2023

A closer look at RFK Jr.

 So, I decided to listen to a fairly lengthy speech that he gave, and I want to give my reaction.

In short, this dude is cringe. He's not ALL bad. He talked a lot about the environment and his time as an environmental lawyer. he briefly discussed healthcare as well. But at the same time, he never laid out his policies. he never laid out anything. The dude is all feels and sentiments. He almost like a trumpian vibe. Like "he's the guy to get things done" without telling you what those things are. A lot of "drain the swamp" type vibes. Wants to take on the CIA, the military industrial complex, the deep state, what have you. He's "the guy who knows how to navigate the bureaucracy and knock them into line." Ya know. Real trumpian machismo energy. Cult of personality. He's like Donald Trump if Trump ran as a democrat. 

He also kind of led into a lot of zany topics. He really HATED lock downs. On the economy, he views himself as the guy to get the economy back on track, and how does he want to do it? By going back to normal. he sounds almost conservative in talking about the decay society has gone through from lockdowns, claiming that childrens' learning is severely delayed, there's more domestic abuse, blah blah blah, and his ideas for the economy are...getting people back to work. Ugh.

I know this is a really unpopular opinion no one wants to hear, but am I the only one who thinks that life was better DURING the lockdowns? Now, I'm not saying we should FORCE people to lock down. But I liked how much simpler and slower life was during lockdowns. It was as if we got a glimpse of that post work world that I've been dreaming of. Again, I dont approve of forcing people into this world, but I'm going to be honest, i HATE our economy and how it's run by default. I hate how busy our lives are. I hate how we are constantly forced to do do do and produce produce produce and consume consume consume. I don't value work. I don't value productivity. The last thing I want to do is to "go back to work." Really, this is something that I've been hammering home on here as of late, but I really want more out of life than what mainstream capitalism has to offer. There's so many paternalistic do gooders that think that things are better when everyone works and everyone is busy and we all need to be massively distracted and given purpose to avoid the...implications of that crap slowing down, giving people more time to think, about things. People during COVID were realizing how artificial our lives as they are designed really are and that things can change at any time, and it seems like the powers that be were like NO NO NO, WE CANT GET USED TO THIS, NO ONE WILL WANT TO GET BACK TO HOW THINGS WERE BEFORE. I mean, it happens a lot. We see this with the work from home thing where people wanna get people back to offices blah blah blah. And it's not about productivity, it's about control. These people are like "but but what if the people I talking to on zoom are in their underwear?" SO WHAT IF THEY ARE?! But but..professionalism. Screw professionalism, screw professional culture. Screw professional dress. And then they worry their workers might be goofing off and not working the full 40 hours, as if it isnt bad enough offices full of workers have to pretend to be busy while surfing reddit. Really, these people are just control freaks. They wanna impose their way of life on people, and force them to live and behave a certain way. Honestly, we could realize this is all a bunch of crap and change tomorrow. But instead, we're forced to participate in this BS game playing they wanna impose on us. 

Really, to me, RFK is a creature of the cave. Wanting to go back to normal, wanting to go back to how things were. Wanting to restore the illusions of the way things are, wanting people to forget that we just literally suspended how things are and that we could do things differently. it sickens me. I dont value work and jobs and that fake purpose crap society tries to sell me. These guys act like life is so terrible without work structuring and dominating our lives, and RFK just wants to push more of that. As such, I aint impressed by his vision.

He also leans into a lot of anti vax nonsense, going on about how we never used to diagnose people with autism but we do today. As someone who is one of those millennials who slipped through the cracks, gee, it's as if we didnt know how to diagnose people until the past 20-25 years. Thats why old boomers aren't diagnosed. It's not that they didn't exist, it's that they didnt establish the criteria to reliably diagnose people until the 90s, and even then if you were a bit weird, you were just considered a bit weird. But because we diagnose people now RFK is like THIS IS SUCH A CRISIS LOOK AT ALL OF THESE AUTISTIC PEOPLE IT MUST BE THE VACCINES, and it's like...ugh...just stop dude. Just...stop. 

Like this dude is just a conservative populist running as a democrat.

Then the dude goes on about ukraine and the military industrial complex and how we could be spending that money at home. Again, as we know he is one of those dudes who panders to the anti war nuts. I mean, sure we could spend LESS on our military, but we are basically running a global empire and we kinda need to to stave off the influence of russia and china. And unlike what this guy says, we cant just "grow the economy here at home", our economy is global these days. It's like this dude doesn't understand how the global economy works.

Again, I feel like this dude is closer to donald trump than he is to me. He's basically trump with a weird liberal/progressive flair. He appeals to the WOTB/dimmy jore left, who being crazy conspiracy type guys are attracted to this dude, because this dude is the epitome of horseshoe theory, in which the extremes start to have more in common with each other than the center. And while I know a lot of people crapping on him like to see themselves as part of that enlightened neoliberal center that I hate, I actually do have to...sadly...agree with them over these guys. Like, I want an alternative to biden and establishment democrats, but THIS GUY IS NOT IT. He's as trumpian as things get....in the 2016 definition of the term of course. Ie, just populist but demagogic, not really full on fascist. And I do wanna make that distinction. This guy has the energy of donald trump, but it's the energy of trump 2016, not 2024. Ya know, the populist anti establishment energy of "he's the guy to get things done and drain the swamp and make america great again", not what that movement has become. But like Trump...he doesnt really have any solid ways of accomplishing these goals. He's just...the dude who talks a big game about doing things, without knowing how to actually do things. 

So...let's face it, dude is a fake populist. If you're actually on the left and want left wing policies enacted, I'd avoid this guy and go williamson. Hell, even BIDEN would probably be more aligned with my beliefs and policy goals than this guy. Seriously, one thing that i notice going into 2024 is that looking at the options, the reason im not impressed with anyone is because when I compare them to what we have with biden as a default, biden just ends up being...better than many of these alternatives. Or alternative, if the alternative is better than biden they're not so much better it's really worth really rocking the boat over them. Let's face it, Bernie aint running this time. Yang isnt running. Williamson is the best we got, and this RFK guy is a just and I actually prefer Biden. It's really distressing that the bar for politics is this low right now, but this guy is so bad he makes Biden look good. 

Sunday, May 7, 2023

Reacting to Bernie Sanders' "It's okay to be angry about capitalism"

 So, as I indicated in the previous article about Bernie vs Williamson, I started reading this book, and was fairly impressed with it. Despite whatever ideological differences I have with sanders, I believe he's genuine and speaks with conviction, and that he knows what he's talking about in pushing his ideas. 

Introduction

His introduction was very strong, and as I said, I almost didn't care that I had significant ideological disagreements with the guy. Although to be fair, he comes off as more moderate than his supporters, not really advocating for an end of capitalism, but significant reform in line with FDR's second bill of rights. My major deviation from that list, by the way, is the right to an income vs a right to a job. I believe people have a right to an income, but believe the right to a job is silly. I mean, jobs exist to do things, and just because we've created all of these layers of subjective social meaning around them does not mean that we should keep trying to prop up such a crappy institution in the first place. 

Chapter 1

Chapter 1 discusses his campaign, how the democrats screwed him, and his heart attack. Bernie truly is a genuine guy, and the fact that unlike the rest of the party he doesn't just write off demographics that don't typically vote left is refreshing, in my opinion, being a dude who outside of my college education, should statistically vote republican. The democrats dont connect to mainstream americans a lot of the time because they're too urban (and even then big city urban, as opposed to blighted rust belt city urban), too focused on minorities and identity politics, blah blah blah. Their message doesnt resonate. But Bernie actually does make an appeal to reach other americans, and as an ex conservative myself, I respect that a lot. I'm very clearly drawn to anti establishment democrats like Bernie and Yang, who have these unorthodox messages and appeal to other demographics, as opposed to standard "team blue" politics. 

I really didnt understand how bad his health situation was at the time. I remembered it wasnt even called a heart attack at the time. He had a stent put in, and that was that, he was back on the campaign trail. I didn't realize how much he had to work just to get back to where he was physically. Kind of concerning. But that's why we shouldn't be electing people nearing or are in their 80s any way. Same arguments we're hearing with Biden, really. But yeah. I respect him for how well he bounced back.

Chapter 2

Chapter 2 he goes into his negotiations with the Biden administration and campaigning for Biden to stop Trump. People gotta understand, no matter how important ideology is to us terminally online people, a lot of these guys in Washington have relationships with each other, and tend to be friends outside of politics. And despite how polarized stuff gets online and in public, generally speaking, there is an air of civility and compromise among people in Washington. And that includes Sanders. Don't get me wrong, this is actually a good thing, unless you wanna go back to the days of "caning" people who you disagree with on the senate floor. I just dislike how circlejerky democrats are with this stuff sometimes. 

And yeah, Biden did make a good faith effort to accommodate Sanders and his concerns. Granted, he kinds fails a lot of my own sniff tests, and that's perfectly justified for me, a voter to have such standards. Just because sanders and biden agree on things doesn't mean me, an outsider who votes based on conditions and optics, has to go along with that, but to be fair, I have noticed that Biden did fairly accommodate sanders in his build back better ideas, and he did do some progressive things, which is why i backed the dems in 2022 and am kinda giving Biden more soft balls than I normally would of establishment democrats going into 2024. The fact that Biden has, kinda sorta addressed some of my concerns is worth noting, and is being taken into consideration in my 2024 calculus.

Bernie also mentions how even before 2020 Trump was a major threat to democracy. I'm going to be blunt, until Jan 6th happened, I considered Trump's talk to be talk. He talks a big game, he's a sore loser. And I figured if he didnt really leave there would be people that could escort him out, in cuffs, if need be. But I really didn't think he could do what he did. The fact is, the dems have been crying wolf on trump for years. They screamed about him in 2016, they screamed about him in 2020. And that's what the democratic machine does. They make the case for the democrats....in part by going on about how the opposition is so bad and OMG WE CANT SURVIVE 4 YEARS OF THIS GUY. Well...we did. But given his actions upon leaving, I wouldn't wanna risk it again. There is some legitimacy to these complaints deep down, and that has been made loud and clear. I just didn't accept it because the dems were LITERALLY crying wolf over the guy since 2015, even playing pied piper tactics to elevate him to make the dems more electable by comparison.

Honestly, I've said it before and I've said it again. The dems really do need to work on their outreach. Like out here outside the beltway, all we see is a party screaming at the top of their lungs is that the opposition is so bad and is a threat to democracy, all while intentionally ignoring wide swaths of their voters, and refusing to acknowledge my concerns. When I look at the political environment surrounding elections. The obnoxious, intentional suppression of people like Bernie Sanders and Andrew Yang, is more real and tangible to me, than any hypothetical threat from Trump. For me, the democrats were an immediate obstacle to my goals, using their position within the two party system to hold the system hostage and try to strong arm us to vote for them, rather than actually connect to people on the terms that connects with us.

And the same is true now in 2024. The dems are REALLY getting off on the wrong foot. And despite being open to support biden and not wanting to let trump (or desantis) anywhere near the white house again, the dems really are rubbing it in in a way that makes me wanna go "you know what, screw you guys." I'm talking about them voter shaming me for daring to see the world differently than them and being willing to vote differently. I'm talking about them aggressively trying to suppress Marianne Williamson's campaign in the crib and act like she doesn't exist. The dems really dont come off as arbiters of democracy despite all of their virtue signalling, because they aggressively suppress any left leaning choice that isn't them and tries to force us to support them regardless.

Quite frankly, for someone like me, they'd be better off just being honest actors, and you know, connecting with us in the way Bernie connects with us in this book. Really, let Bernie lay out his case and make it for us. He talked about being in meetings with scholars about ways trump might try to hold onto power. Why the frick wasn't any of this public for the rest of us? And let's be honest, voting democrat seemed like a bad deal, given the actions of the party was to ruthlessly suppress competition and then say we had to support them. If they did LESS of that crap and more of letting democracy speak for itself, and abide by its results, then maybe people like me would've been more able and willing to take them seriously in their screaming about trump being bad. But if all you have is trump bad AFTER basically suppressing all better alternatives, well, you dont really have much room to talk. Just saying. Anyway, that's all I'm saying on chapter 2. Onto chapter 3...

Chapter 3

  Chapter 3, Bernie goes into Build back better and the congressional fights for Biden's agenda and how much of a crap show it was. And this is actually kinda why I'm kinda lenient on Biden. I know he wanted to do some progressive stuff. I love his climate plan, after checking out every alternative I could in the main stream political space. And he did some good things like $1400 checks and stuff. But....Bernie laid out a lot of the problems we all know and love, including the filibuster shutting everything down, the parliamentarian saying "WeLl We CaNt Do ThAt!!11!", and other members of congress, often being bought out by big money, just shutting crap down. How Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema, and sometimes others logjammed the entire process and how it just watered down the agenda. 

And, I do appreciate Sanders laying blame where it belongs. I know during the Truman administration he had that thing on his desk that said "the buck stops here" and it was supposed to be this cool saying of saying that the president takes responibility and doesnt blame others, but i think that's just macho BS. Obviously, the blame should be laid where the blame deserves to go. Name and shame, my dude, name and shame. And name and shame he did.

Naming and shaming is important because if we want ANY stronger agenda, we need to identify the weak links in the process holding the tides of progress back and get rid of them. We need to primary people, we need more progressives in congress. We need to throw the corporate democrats onto their butts and replace them with democrats who vote the right way. And obviously make inroads with the republicans too. 

This is actually why I'm respecting Biden. He still wanted to do far more than congress let him do, and the blame lies not with him, but with those elements of congress. Even if we had president bernie sanders, or marianne williamson, or andrew yang, we'd still ahve to deal with these corrupt elements of the process, and again, name and shame, so the voters can throw them out. If you cant pass your agenda, you gotta name and shame. What is a symbolic support for an oppositional presidential candidate going to do when the problem lies with congress and the courts? When Obama dealt with oppositional leaders in congress, I said that he needed to use the bully pulpit and go straight to the american people and say "give me a congress I can work with". Well, that's what Bernie does with this book. he has his agenda, he discusses, in detail, the process we took to get where we are, and I think we should use that info to lay the blame where it actually belongs. The reason I turned on the dems in 2016 and 2020 was they pulled this massive circlejerk of "We CaNt Do AnYtHiNg". TRY. THATS ALL I ASK. Bernie is blameless here. Biden, eh, hes a bit moderate for my tastes and fails a lot of my ideals himself, but he's still trying to a reasonable degree. The problem lies with congress. SO LET'S FREAKING BLAME THEM. 

I'm to the point, we can worry about what comes next in 2028. In 2024, let's just keep the dems in power and expand their influence where possible, and if they end up screwing it up by alienating us progressives again, well, that's their own freaking fault. Onto chapter 4...

Chapter 4

In chapter 4 he started getting into policy and stated that "billionaires shouldn't exist". I kinda sorta agree with him, but at the same time not really. Like, the logistics of unregulated capitalism is such where some people end up poor and average income stagnates while the billionaires get so rich they literally make so much money that you could multiply your income by itself and they still might have a higher net worth. It's kind of messed up that this happens. And I understand it's a bit of a systemic issue. But for me, how we solve it is paramount. IN the past, we reduced income inequality significantly by taxing the rich at insane rates to force them to put their wealth into their companies instead. Unions and government regulation also kept a fair amount of relative income equality. My own ideas are a bit different, I'd tax the rich at laffer curve levels and provide a UBI. I wouldn't be opposed, in theory, to a wealth tax, estate tax, and other taxes bernie mentioned either. Although I often use those to fund things other than UBI such as healthcare, housing, or free college. Just in case why my UBI doesn't have a wealth tax in it. That tax goes toward healthcare in my ideas. 

To some extent, a reasonable level of income inequality is important to me, because we we know, money is power. Having enough money to meet your basic needs without being coerced into work, is the only way that we can truly liberate the working class under capitalism IMO. And it isnt good for the rich to have virtually unlimited amounts of money, because after some point, it just leads to them having insane corrupting influence in society such as buying out politicians, as bernie would mention. 

Like, I'm playing fallout new vegas, and i know that isn't a good analogue, but I've eventually gotten to the point that I've basically broken the game. I got like 64000 caps, and many gold bars from that horrid dead money DLC. I can buy anything in the game, and money is no object by this point. It's absurd. Another thing that also made me stinking rich was progressing in the story and then going all homicidal on the legion fort. The amount of caps I got from looting the legion is disgusting. I get high level guns that sell for like 6000 caps each, and ugh. Why bring this up? because when you start out the game, yuo start fairly poor. You get to new vegas, and passing the credit check of 2000 caps feels like a massive amount of work. Accumulating that much wealth as a new player is just difficult. But eventually i get to the point that 2000 caps is nothing. I could lose 2k caps and not even notice. Oh noes, i got 62k instead of 64k the horror. Anyway, that's what being a billionaire is like. Except the scale is even more broken. Again, multiply your income by itself, that's the amount of money we're talking about. Like...$50k*50k is...$2.5 billion. And jeff bezos is around 50x richer than that. It's disgusting.

However, if you notice something, Jeff bezos' net worth wouldnt even pay for my UBI. If I took his entire net worth and redistributed it to every adult citizen in the US, each would get like $500. Which is...significant for one person, but yeah. Obviously we need to tax more than just billionaires to get a UBI. At the same time, if we divided it by the amount of amazon workers in the US, we'd get like $80k. So yeah, maybe amazon workers do deserve a raise and maybe worker coops are a good idea. Maybe there is a valid point to the surplus value argument, when the value is on such absurd levels. 

Now, despite Bernie's rhetoric, he actually isnt that socialist. Like calling for worker coops above or confiscating all of his wealth and redistributing it goes beyond what Bernie wants. bernie is still a "capitalist" by my metrics. He complains about unfettered capitalism, and his policies are relatively moderate compared to his online fanbase these days. Most of his solutions involve taxing the rich and paying for social programs...something I'm not opposed to. I mean, that's what my whole thing is. I'm just an extreme "welfare capitalist", even by Bernie's standards to some extent. 

Like that's the weird thing, I feel like I'm more extreme than bernie, yet despite this, i get a lot of crap from the left simply for identifying as a human centered capitalist and not a "socialist." I swear, most of bernie's fan base online cares more about aesthetics than policy. They get so wrapped up over the word "socialism" and whether someone is a "socialist", as opposed to the policies they support. And that's actually a long term concern I have with his movement. I've watched his fan base radicalize from being reasonable in 2016 to being nutso in 2020 and beyond. ALl because they "read theory" and now want literal socialism. 

It's wild, in some ways I am left of bernie in this book. I support most of his solutions here, AND I support a UBI funded by insane taxes that hit the rich the hardest in practice, AND i support worker coops in theory at least, and I always get crapped on for not identifying as a "socialist". It's insane. Bernie says "no one who works 40 hours a week should be in poverty", and I say "no one should be in poverty" period. 

Anyway, I digress. But yeah, Bernie seems pretty reasonable and even moderate to me here, despite the bold statement about billionaires not existing. I dont think his ideas would end the idea of billionaires existing, and neither would mine. And that's fine. As long as the rich pay their fair share, and as long as we get income inequality down by unleashing the power of labor one way or another, I dont care if rich people exist. Like, I just want everyone else to have a piece of that, you know? Ideally in the form of a "dividend" or UBI. But also in terms of higher wages too, yes. On to chapter 5...

Chapter 5

Chapter 5 talks about healthcare, and here, he comes out swinging and sounding like me, going on about how the purpose of the healthcare system is to serve people and not rich billionaires, yet we have a system that serves rich billionaires. he also talked about how dysfunctional our healthcare system is and how it's a massive bureaucratic mess. He talks about wanting to expand healthcare, while cutting costs. He discusses how the student debt crisis is actually linked directly to healthcare issues as the price of healthcare is insane. He discusses how tying healthcare to jobs is a dysfunctional system that keeps people stick in jobs they hate. He talks about our declining life expectancy, how rich people tend to get the care they need while poor people don't, and how people can't afford healthcare in this country in general. it really is ridiculous. Then he goes on about how in many other countries these arent problems because they fixed them. 

I know, I discussed a ton of that at once, and honestly, none of it is really much of a surprise to me, but I do enjoy when someone makes a thorough case for healthcare. And yeah, I agree completely in principle. I support medicare for all, generally speaking. Quite frankly the only thing pulling me in a more moderate direction is the costs after implementing a UBI, so I seek more mild plans such as medicare extra for all as a compromise.

But assuming you aren't trying to fund a $4 trillion UBI plan, medicare for all is based. ANd even if you do, it still could be seen as worth it as many of the costs are redundant and simply one thing replacing another for most people. The net benefit to Americans would be massive. And the savings in the system would be good too. Bernie estimated M4A would save like $600 billion a year in this book, that's like 15% of our overall healthcare costs. And honestly, if we ever got our spending down to like the rest of the world, we could be saving up to 40% or 1.6 trillion. Because let's face it, we spend 18% of our GDP on healthcare, and most countries currently spend 9-13%.

Bernie talked about how he would accomplish his medicare for all. Now, he didn't discuss funding numbers, we have that on his campaign site, but he talked about another important feature that was often criticized and that was rollout. Basically, Bernie wants to expand medicare for cover more stuff, eliminate out of pocket costs and then gradually lower the age. Every year, reduce it by 10 years. So if it's 65 this year, 55 next year, 45, the year after, etc. It's...not a bad plan. I mean, it's a way of doing it. And that's probably why Biden theoretically supported lowering medicare to 55, although he planned on stopping there. 

Of course, medicare extra takes a different approach. It would consolidate medicare, medicaid, and other programs into a single program and then cover everyone on it. It wouldnt eliminate out of pocket costs, but it would tie them to income to ensure that people are paying reasonable amounts for healthcare, with the poorest citizens getting free care. You could argue it's not as extreme, but it IS a lot cheaper from the governmental standpoint, although it does outsource costs to the private sector. Anyway, either approaches are fine by me, it's just a matter of what works with UBI. I prefer M4A Bernie style in principle, but if I have to sacrifice on one priority or the other, I'm sacrificing on M4A and backing the public option model. My public option model is still way more aggressive than most of the 2020 candidates. It was closest to Harris's, and there was actually a debate about whether her plan was M4A or not. And that's kind of the thing with it. It opens up the possibility to expand it to a proper M4A system later, but it doesn't HAVE to be. It's a choice. And for me, it really comes down to "can we afford it given what else I wanna do?" But I digress. Bernie is based on this topic.

Chapter 6

Chapter 6 switches to talking about workers, and it is called "which side are you on", which is a clear reference to the old union song with the same name. This chapter was...frustrating to me. Because this dude is so close to getting it, but then jobism gets in the way. He uses language and rhetoric I would about how under capitalism people hate their jobs and are subjected to this inhumane process and have no control over their lives, and he talks about how under this form of capitalism people don't have real freedom, but then he just...goes in his weird jobist direction, going on about how most people wanna work and it provides meaning and dignity to their lives and blah blah blah.

No dude, no. You are SO CLOSE, but you miss it. One section is called "unfettered capitalism will never make work humane"....uh, unfettered capitalism is a problem, but socialism, unions, whatever are mere band aids. The only way to make work humane is to give people freedom as the power to say no, not just to any job, but all jobs. 

Anyway, I do wanna quote many things from this chapter and respond, so here I go:

Work has the potential to make us happy and satisfied, or depressed and anxious. The real debate is not about whether people will work or not. The real debate is whether we will be able to say, “I want to go to work” rather than “I have to go to work.”

 and the only way to guarantee that is to give people the ability not to go to work. Which I provide, but Bernie does not.

I don’t pretend to understand everything about human nature but I believe that, very deep in the souls of most people, is a desire to be a part of their community and to contribute to its well-being. People want to be productive and have a positive impact on the lives of their families, their friends, their neighbors, and, ultimately, on their country and their world. Work is a manifestation of this desire. That is true for a janitor. That is true for a teacher. That is true for the president of the United States. 

For most Americans, holding a job is about more than “earning your keep.” Human beings crave that sense of accomplishment. It gives them self-respect and a deep satisfaction that they are integral parts of their communities. 

 I'm gonna try to deconstruct this crap the best I can, but let's be honest. This is just a bunch of well meaning BS. It's the whole "but but people wanna work!", uh...you're not really allowed, scoially speaking, to say you don't. Because that's being "lazy", and being "lazy" is one of the worst things you can be in society. Not wanting to work, in our society, is a sign of a moral failure with that person. A good work ethic is akin to godliness, sloth is one of the seven deadly sins. We're living in the shadow of protestant christianity and it's insane work ethic, and this work ethic secularized is what makes the american work ethic what it is. Much of the rest of the industrialized world has a work fetish too, but at least they seem to realize people work to live, in America you live to work. And that's fricking backwards. So I'm gonna say what I believe a lot of us know deep down but don't have the courage to say. I don't want to work. I want off of this crazy train. If you guys wanna waste your life working, fine, but I would consider myself "too good" for that. I don't mean this as a knock on workers or to say Im better than most workers. I'm not. We're all humans and all inherently equal. BUT....if you HONESTLY believe that you work is a good thing and you wanna structure your life around it, I believe you've internalized some serious propaganda. As I see it, americans are a society of people conditioned to be slaves that seem to be employers for the right to work for them, and it's sick.

All of this stuff about work being good and great and a matter of social meaning and blah blah blah, is all social conditioning. We set up society and our social structures to define meaning and value around work, and we have a culture where we shun people who don't want to work. It's actually very messed up and very inhumane, if you're one of the people who is actually honest with themselves about this nonsense.

A job has to be more than just a job. As a U.S. senator and a candidate for president I have traveled to workplaces in almost every state in our country. Along the way, I have visited with thousands of workers from all walks of life. What I’ve learned is that yes, of course, workers want good wages, good benefits, and good working conditions. But I have also learned that working people want more—something that most of them are not getting today. They want dignity. They want respect. They want a voice in the decision-making process. They are human beings and they want to be treated as human beings.

 And again, a lot of that is deeply cultural. I'll tell you what i want. I WANT FREEDOM. I want to be left alone, I want to be treated not for what I do, but inherently as a human being. I dont care about work. Screw work. I wanna be left alone to do my own thing. But the second I suggest this, I'm told I'm selfish and lazy and it's not fair other people have to provide for me. In a society governed by the principles I support, people would be free to live as they want, and to self actualize how they want. 

The worst thing about dealing with other people, for me, is the people. They have their own little norms and moral compasses and circlejerks that they use to judge other people, and i wanna be free of that. The worst part about work, jobs, whatever, is in part, other people. Being subject to their whims, and their own moral standards that I don't agree with. Quite frankly, I view being subjected to this system as a form of spiritual violence. Bernie ironically has a quote about this too:

 The sad reality is that there are many millions of Americans who not only feel powerless as regards their work but are in jobs they actually hate. It’s painful to get up in the morning and go to work. They do it for the health care. They do it just to survive. They know they’re exploited but they have no alternative. Their lousy job impacts their health and their selfworth. They would like to be able to say, “Take this job and shove it.” But the economic reality is that they can’t. They need the paycheck.

Dostoevsky was profoundly correct when he wrote, “If one wanted to crush and destroy a man entirely, to mete out to him the most terrible punishment, all one would have to do would be to make him do work that was completely and utterly devoid of usefulness and meaning.” And that, tragically, is what life is like for millions of Americans. They feel crushed and destroyed by their jobs. They have no hope for their future.

 Uh....DUH! And that's how I feel. I am going to be blunt, I am basically an absurdist and a nihilist on the concept of meaning. THERE IS NO MEANING, MEANING IS BULLCRAP! But...then these do gooder authoritarians want to try to subject me to their moral systems and impose their ideas on me. And to me, that feels like spiritual violence. Jobs feel to me, like sisyphus rolling a rock up a hill. Not only is it forced on me, but it feels pointless. At my level of spiritual and moral development, a normal day job feels like slavery. 

I wanna give a couple quotes from Karl Widerquist's books on this subject, as a counterpoint, to bernie's pitch here. 

Eventually, a band of philosopher-legislators starts a nonviolent, democratic revolution. They take over the Big Casino and rebuild it as the Big Cooperative in which everyone works together for democratically chosen goals. They intend to build a democratic Big Cooperative that distributes its products fairly according to what they believe to be an ethically sound theory of social justice, which might be equality of income, the difference principle, welfare egalitarianism, resource egalitarianism, meritocracy, or one of many others. Unfortunately, the philosopher-legislators find that the gambling tables are infused into every part of the economy and that removing them is costly. Although removing some casino elements is purely beneficial, removing many of the casino elements either decreases the economy’s ability to turn effort into welfare or decreases freedom (by 13 13 decreasing the choice of goals and actions available to individuals). They find also that no possible structure eliminates the casino element. Even a system of strict egalitarianism, in which everyone does identical work for identical rewards, implies good luck for those who like that work for those rewards and bad luck for those who don’t. And even that ideal is imperfectly achievable. The philosopher-legislators have to make tradeoffs. The Big Cooperative prohibits many of these things people did in the Big Casino, to the resentment of everyone who liked to do those things, and to the benefit of many who were burdened by those things, but no matter what they do, the Big Cooperative is still, in part, the Big Casino. Not only do the philosopher-legislators have to decide what goals to pursue; they have to decide which of the casino elements to trade off for the purpose of achieving their conception of fairness. To some extent the Big Cooperative still rewards luck and irrelevant characteristics, and still stacks the deck in favor of the House. However, the democratically chosen philosopher-legislators decide that the Big Casino is good enough and fair enough for everyone who does not want to starve to be obliged to work for it. No one has access to the resources they need to maintain their existence unless and until they work for the Big Cooperative. Depending on its rules and your luck you might eventually be able to earn your independence in several years; or it could take a lifetime. Unfortunately, you are one of the people who don’t fit in. Perhaps the Big Cooperative is meritocratic, and you’re an egalitarian. Perhaps it’s the other way around. Whatever the goals of the cooperative project, they are not your goals. You don’t like the work, the terms, the rewards, your place in the hierarchy, or the lack thereof. If you can’t command better terms, you’d like to be left alone. You go to see the Cooperative Complaints Review Board, but ahead of you in line is one of the people least advantaged under the old Big Casino regime. The review board tells the least advantaged person, “Congratulations, you are no longer exploited! You would have been right not refuse to participate in the old Big Casino. But the New Improved Big Cooperative Casino is reasonably fair and shares its fruits with you. All jobs are good jobs. Your reasons for wanting to quit have all been eliminated.” “Maybe you shouldn’t tell me, as a disadvantaged person, that I’m no longer exploited. I’ll tell you. You show me the jobs, and I’ll tell you when they are good enough.” The Cooperative Complaints Review Board replies, “We’re not interested in your individual opinion of justice; we’re interested in true justice. We’ve made the determination in terms of abstract, objective principles of social justice that have been endorsed by the democratic process. We’ve imagined what your perspective is like and we’ve given your position top priority as we formulated the imaginary contract upon which the Big Cooperative Casino is based. We created a list of great job opportunities for you to choose from. Therefore, you must choose one of them.” “If you’re so much on my side, why do you want to force me work for you just as much as the bad guys did? If you really want to help me, why not let me decide?” “Society is based on mutual obligation. Now that you’re exploitation has been eliminated, you have a duty to reciprocate to others. We appreciate your disadvantages, but if you won’t participate, you must just be lazy.” Seeing how things went for your less advantaged brethren, you drop your case. You find that, like the Big Casino, the Big Cooperative doesn’t directly force you to serve. If you don’t want to serve, the Big Cooperative will leave you alone, but without food and without a place to sleep at night. If you want to be left alone with enough resources 15 15 to build a decent life for yourself and to follow your own goals, you have to fulfill their understanding of your obligation to serve their goals first. You cannot ignore the Big Cooperative any more than you could ignore the Big Casino. You are not free. You are not free to pursue your own goals until you have made it in the interest of the Big Cooperative to part with enough property to let you be independent. The laws of the state say that you are a free person, but the property rights structure and system of social duties enforced by the state force you to serve at least one member of the ownership group; the laws effectively put you into involuntary servitude. The philosopher-legislators represent the majority and act on what they believe to be fair principles; but they are not you, and you are still bound to their service. You neither agreed to the decisions that brought about these circumstances, nor are you allowed to decline the role ascribed to you in this situation. You are still unfree. Your position neither follows from nor preserves your freedom. The revolution failed to make you free because it failed to deal with the root cause of your unfreedom in the Big Casino—propertylessness. When resources are owned (privately or publicly), individuals without property are obliged to work for at least one member of the group that controls property before they can achieve even their bare subsistence, much less a decent life. Whether that group is a capitalist class or a democratic majority, you are its subject. As long as there are people without access to enough resources to maintain independence, there will be people who are unfree.

 THis passage is from Karl Widerquist's "Independence, propertylessness, and basic income: a theory of freedom and the power to say no." It is from the introduction, which is called the big casino. It starts off by describing capitalism as a big casino that you dont technically HAVE to participate in, but that you're effectively forced to serve due to lack of alternatives. And then it had THIS passage, about socialists coming in and trying to change the game and make it more just.

But, the socialists just miss the point. They impose a NEW system on people, which is no more just than the last, and when pointing this out, the person who JUST WANTS TO BE LEFT ALONE basically has the system imposed on them and tells them that the system is just now and they dont have any right to refuse. 

That's nonsense. And this is what's fundamentally wrong with Bernie's message.

Bernie is so close, talking about how we're not free under capitalism, and the tyranny of work, but his exegesis is just fundamentally off. And this is the problem that most "anti capitalists" have these days. Hell, it's the problem r/antiwork has at this point, given its more mild direction and descent into bog standard "leftism" after Doreen was forced out. 

Leftists talk a big game about capitalism, but they fail to understand that the core problem with capitalism is the coercion. I don't want "better work". I want NO WORK. I dont want full employment, which bernie explicitly calls for (quote: "America Needs a Full-Employment Economy"), i want to move in the direction of full UNemployment, as John Bentley would say (and whose approach to the subject is the basis of my own). 

Now, despite calling for a JOBS GUARANTEE, which is the polar opposite solution I call for, he does have some good arguments. he talks about how the reason the economy went to crap since the 1980s was the destruction of unions. But I say, what would do more to give people the power that unions had on an individual level, but a UBI? A UBI could be seen as a universal strike fund for unionists giving people more freedom and flexibility to hold out for better working conditions. 

I mean, I'm going to be honest, there's a lot of this chapter where Bernie almost gets it, but him, along with other old school lefties, just seem to miss that one crucial ideological difference. Bernie is 90% of the way there, and has a lot of strong rhetoric that remind me very strongly of my own. But then there are times when he just...misses the point. Again, it's because leftists like him have a bad exgesis of the problems under capitalism, and their views are outdated. If work is a necessary evil, then work is a necessary evil. But work is a means to an end, not an end in itself, and the purpose of work is to make things that we need, not to give people purpose. Any purpose derived from them is secondary to their core purpose.

I'd say Bernie and I agree that the economy should work for people, not the other way around, but we fundamentally disagree on the question of work. I say work is a means to an end, not an end in itself, and he still believes it is an end in itself. Bernie uses the language of human centered capitalism and even market socialism at times, but then he just ends up dropping the ball much like Yang, we have much different views on work.

To be fair, I agree with Yang more on solutions, but Bernie has still influenced my policy. But this is that one area where we have a fundamental difference in ideology, despite whatever other overlap we have.

Chapter 7

In chapter 7, I continue to litigate the issue of the value of work and find myself with some fundamental disagreements with Bernie here. He basically goes andrew yang here and talks about the future of work, but he seems stuck in his dated way of thinking.

Don't get me wrong, he has a lot of interesting solutions here, a robot tax (sadly he wants to use the money to fund job retraining rather than a UBI), 32 hour work week, and worker cooperatives, but still, this guy's fixation on work tends to be his downfall. he's still stuck in that old socialist/labor tradition where he seems more fixated on siezing the means of production and workers being in charge and blah blah blah. And I'm more like, screw work.

Now, to be fair, he has some good points. Like, long term if we do transition away from work, we probably will need to shift to some form of socialism in order to stop our system from just going full oligarchy. And he basically proposes the same mechanisms that I've supported on that front like codetermination. 

But...despite our similarities, I really think we just have fundamentally different ideas on work. I think he kinda sorta realizes that work is basically de facto slavery as he sold his 32 hour work week on the idea of giving workers "more freedom", but I wish that he went all the way on that. 

Chapter 8

In this chapter, Bernie talked about education. He discussed free college, but pointed out that there was a lot more to his plan than that, and he talked about a bunch of other small fixes to implement on the system. I have no real feelings either way, but they seemed good to me. One that did stand out was his stance on how to fund education. We tend to fund it through local taxes in our country, and that is a huge reason it leads to such unequal outcomes. poor areas get little revenue leading to bad schools, rich areas get lots of revenue leading to good schools. And the cycle continues. He envisions moving to a system like finland which provides more work life balance, and also has a philosophy of all schools being good schools. 

Bernie also talked about the value of education in molding good citizens. And this nails it on the head. I know some others like Yang dont value free college because it won't lead to better EMPLOYMENT outcomes, but education is important to make us into good citizens. We have a severe ignorance problem in the US and education would help fix that. I mean, keep in mind, statistically I should be a trumper and I grew up conservative, but here I am. Education works. 

Chapter 9

This chapter should be required reading for like everyone. Here he talks about the media and corporate media control. He discusses a lot of the difficulties he had with getting taken seriously and how debate moderators asked him loaded questions and stuff, and yeah, it's a lot of the same stuff I talked about on here. Corporate media is a joke. They exist to protect the establishment and have strong ties to them. 

Bernie talked about the concentration of ownership of media, and how that poses problems, and how local media is dying, and how that causes problems. He talked about wanting to subsidize local media to keep it viable, and organize it into a worker cooperative model to make it more democratic. Being a socialist (and the good kind of socialist), he really does want to democratize a lot of our institutions. And I know I crap on socialism a lot on here and how its overprescribed for everything, I AM open to the kinds of socialism Bernie talks about here. If anything, he's proposing just about the only models I think have potential to work. And while I don't always see eye to eye with him, I respect him a lot.

Between chapters 8 and 9, I really think he hit an undercurrent of America's current problems that is missing from Yang's analysis and that whole philosophy I normally drift toward inherently, and that is how uneducated our citizens really are. As I said in my chapter 8 reaction, Yang, in deemphasizing free college, tends to gloss over how higher education is important in molding people into good citizens and how many of our problems stem from collective ignorance. Chapter 9 really continues to hammer this point home, as corporate media control shapes how americans think and keeps them in the dark. I mean, I know a lot of people think I'm an arrogant butthole for suggesting most Americans don't know what they're talking about and how their opinions don't matter much (especially in regard to how this tends to favor establishment candidates and narratives), but it really is true. The media shapes how people think, and what the acceptable range of options are. And the reason to mainstream normies I probably sound really out there, is because they literally have been brainwashed not to think as I have. BUT, having gone through my various existential crises in life, I have shed these traditional ways of thinking and left "the cave" and that's why I tend to think as I do. I mean, I really did deconstruct virtually every belief I've had that I'm aware of and challenged them, and rebuilt my entire perspective from the ground up.Most people have never done that. it's like most people use MS edge and here I am running some highly customized browser with tons of functionality most people don't have the wherewithal to understand. I'm not trying to toot my own horn here. if anything, I want to share this knowledge, which is why I made this blog. And I really do have to highlight what Bernie is saying in these two chapters. This man be spitting. He gets it. He understands the big problem we have is that our perceptions of reality are controlled by relatively few people, these people don't have our interests at heart, and they tend to control how we think. 

Chapter 10

In his final chapter, Bernie summarizes his vision for change. He calls for a new type of politics that revolves around working people and democracy, and then he outlines some solutions. I will admit, he seems a bit high minded here as many would require a constitutional amendment to accomplish, but I can't say he's wrong. To discuss each briefly:

Get money out of politics- This would require either taking over the courts to overturn Citizens United or a constitutional amendment. It's something that needs to be done, but it's something not even Yang would tackle because of the difficulties of doing such things. I support it in principle but think it's difficult to accomplish in practice.

Guarantee voting rights- Basically, pushing back against republican efforts to do the opposite. There are ways we can do this. I wouldnt mind universal voting registration and automatic mail in ballots and stuff like that. 

Make the constitution relevant to the 21st century- I mean dont get me wrong, our constitution is WAY outdated and problematic, but in practice this would be difficult. And if we did ever hold national hearings on rewriting it, I could imagine the right giving us an even more flawed and messed up document in its place. 

Abolish the electoral college- I support in principle but difficult to accomplish in theory. Also, needs to go further, one thing that annoyed me was I didn't see Bernie advocating for ranked choice voting here.

Rethink the US senate- I mean, yeah, we should. It's a stupid and outdated concept. 

Rethink the supreme court- here I would toy with the idea of 18 year terms combined with staggering appointments every 2 years to ensure a constant rotation of justices. Having these unelected people there for up to 40 years is way too long. Especially given how the only public pressures they seem subject to are rich donors subsidizing their lifestyles (see: clarence thomas). 

Revitalize american media- He focuses a lot on the media desert thing. I think we need to embrace online as a new wave of media and be more open with platforms to give people more choice. 

End all forms of bigotry- good luck with that. I know that this is often pushed but i think to some extent this is human nature. I think focusing on equal rights under the law and legal protections is better. Bigotry is often a heart issue, and while we should teach people to not be discriminatory, I think ultimately some people inevitably will be. The point is, however, to keep such "personal values' out of the public square where it doesnt influence policy. 

Treat workers rights as human rights- Dont get me wrong, I agree, but his solutions are a bit dated for me. We need to stop thinking of people as "workers" and treat them as people. We need a society where work is a means to an end, not an end in itself, and we strive to liberate the working class from working.

Democratize the future of work- I mean, he has a lot of interesting ideas here. If I learned anything from his book, it's the fact that yeah, as we transition from work we need to democratize our institutions to keep them accountable. I do support some mild forms of "socialism" here, like Bernie often proposes. I just dont see them as the end all be all of everything.


Healthcare is a human right, period- Right on, Bernie. I admit I'd be ok with a public option but we'd still accomplish even with a strong public option with universal opt in. This or single payer are both worth mentioning. The question is which one fits better with our overall policy direction. I may have some disagreements with bernie here as he doesn't embrace UBI.

A new business model for the pharmaceutical industry- I mean, yeah. I often hear from people who defend capitalist healthcare that without it businesses wouldnt have money to invest in new cures and progress would stagnate. But then we just gave the industry billions to make a COVID vaccine for us and suddenly we're privatizing it and allowing them to make billions off of it. I support public investment in healthcare. But I also support healthcare being public. Really I think the way we handled covid shots was a good model for what all healthcare could be. You just show up, show some ID, fill out some forms, and BOOM, free care baby. Or very cheap and affordable. 

Protect our children- Nah he's not pulling a Mrs Lovejoy here but talking about ending childhood poverty and giving people parental leave and stuff. I agree. Although i kinda feel like bernie acts somewhat like a means tester in how he focuses on the working class, and children, and the elderly in this last chapter. We need universal stuff for EVERYONE. NO ONE should be insecure economically. PERIOD. Bernie tends to kinda shy away from pushing that, and I kinda find it to be problematic, as this is a huge difference in our philosophies.

Protect the elderly and disabled- Sure, but protect everyone.

Social security benefits must be increased- uh, my UBI does just that, dude.

Provide affordable housing for all- basically we need to build more housing and he talks about public land trusts. I approve generally speaking.

Make billionaires pay taxes- Sure

We must save the planet- Yes, yes we need to. Although we may differ somewhat in approaches due to our fundamentally different ideas for work.

Honestly, going over this section of the book, I kind of realize how different I am from Bernie at times. In political reform we think similarly, but I tend to be closer to yang in solutions. Same with economics. We need crap like ranked choice voting and UBI, which are absent from this book. I think a lot of bernie's ideas are good, but some might be a bit too difficult to accomplish in ANY reasonable political environment as many would require massive supermajorities to pull off. I think yang focuses on much more immediately doable solutions. Heck his forward party is already working on his solutions at the state level in many states. I might disagree with him over how he removed UBI from his platform there, but on political solutions, yeah. I find yang's approach a bit more refreshing.

On economics, I'd say Im split between bernie and Yang. I did mention above I feel like yang neglects stuff like reforming education and the media at times, and I think bernie does a better job there. But at the same time, bernie is stuck in this old "working class" mindset where he's too focused on socialism and the future of work, when for me, my vision for the future is closer to yang's human centered capitalism, but with a more anti work bend where work is less central to our lives. Bernie, on the other hand, is stuck in the old left which is stuck thinking about things in terms of the labor theory of value (implicitly here) and how we need more and better paid work and blah blah blah. I fundamentally disagree, my dude. If anything, one thing that irks me about reviewing a lot of literature about the future of work is that more books and writers dont openly embrace a future of less work. Even Yang, and a lot of the UBI supporters tend to struggle with the concept. It's frustrating seeing how I seek, in the long term, the abolition of work, although in the short term I'd focus on just less and more voluntary work. 

From then on he tackles another issue that is close to my heart, and that is the state of the democratic party. He envisions the democratic party as I want it to be, back to its working class roots, and not writing off people in rural areas or people they dont fit into their demographics statistically. Really, I cant tell you how offputting I find the dems at times. Im TRYING to work with them in good faith this time, and then I come across insufferable dem apologists and biden bros that make me just wanna be like F U F U F U F U! Like, really, I DESPISE these people. They are so offputting and the dems have a major image problem, he skewers the democrats good for kind of doubling down on their failed 2016 strategy and how they need to embrace FDR more. THis dude sounds like 2015 me, as at the time, I spoke in the same terms about how we needed a new new deal and the democrats had to embrace FDR. Instead the dems are focused on winning over upper class suburbanites. I understand the logic, but to just write off rural people and people who dont normally fit into the party (like white men) completely is really a problem with modern politics. I genuinely wanted to come over after 2012 and at first I felt at home, but the dems really do have an impeccable knack for alienating the everloving crap out of people. Bernie has similar stories yang had, where when he said he was a democrat peoples' tones changed with him, because the democrats never did anything good for them. He also points out how the republicans have swooped in with a politics of resentment (quite frankly both parties use identity politics to create resentment politics toward various identity groups that dont normally associate with their parties). As I like to say, unless the democrats can push a strong economic vision that appeals to everyone, they're gonna lose as people remain divided. 

He mentions, though, that as tempting a third party is, right now we gotta focus on reforming the democrats, especially as the alternative right now is fascism. I...begrudgingly agree. The GOP has gotten too dangerous where working within the dems, despite their institutional screwery, is going to be better than going third party. Normally I'd say, with the way the dems are, that we need a third party, but given that the two party politics of spiralling lower standards has gotten so bad the dems can actually say "vote for us or you get the fascist"....eh...even I have to be like...yeah...ok. DOn't get me wrong, I HATE this, and I HATE that we're here and that the problems were allowed to get this bad, and the dems did a good job digging this hole, but at this point, it literally is we back the dems or risk the destruction of democracy altogether. So sadly, I have to begrudgingly support Bernie here.

And let's face it, with Yang, as much as I like ranked choice voting, his forward party is...kind of a joke. And I've kinda soured on alternatives to democrats in recent years too. The greens are to bernie's left and too extreme for me (Bernie/Yang are about where I'm at), and forward just recreated what i hated about the democrats in the first place. 

So...yeah. We need to focus on the democrats this election cycle. I'll support williamson in the primary, as she's running on bernie's ideas, but in the general, I'll likely just back biden if/when he wins. 

Overall thoughts

Overall, I thought his book was pretty good. I've heard a lot of criticisms about it. First I heard that Bernie is like a dinosaur and that he pushes the same old solutions and blah blah blah. I have to admit, I kind of agree. Bernie has a lot of good ideas, but I'm going to be honest, I've distanced myself from his politics in the past few years, and shifted closer to where Yang was in 2020. Still, Bernie does have some ideas Yang lacks, and he has that fiery passion that defines my own politics that yang, quite frankly, doesn't have. But yes, on the ideas of the future of work and jobs at least, he's a dinosaur stuck in the 1930s. he has a lot of good ideas and I have a lot of positive things to say about him, but yeah, I will agree to disagree with him at times. The second criticism I heard was that he sold out because he encouraged people to work with the democratic party. But honestly, I feel like Bernie kind of towed that line perfectly. I mean, he's an outsider, he's anti establishment, and I liked how he discussed the details of negotiations in washington and wasnt afraid to name and shame and propose his own bills and stuff. Bernie is kind of how I wish all democrats were, how they actually fight for their ideas as they're able. Even if they need to compromise at the end of the day, they tried, and that's all I ask. I guess the problem with the leftists criticizing him here is they aren't happy with that, they want him to lead a revolution outside of the party against it. Which...again, if the dems arent willing to listen, I see the point they make, BUT....sadly since 2016 politics has gone in a direction where the GOP is once again regaining their footing and morphing into something even more dark and evil, while the democrats are kind of the victims of their own decisions and kinda need a bailing out right now, or we will be going in dark places. So...I understand where Bernie is coming from, and it's the same place I'm coming from in recent months.

Beyond that, I feel like this book was pretty solid. he outlined his vision, his worldview, his experiences, and it was very solid. I dont always agree with the guy, but I respect him far more than most in politics. I think he's doing the best he can. I just wish he was a bit more yang like. Like, sorry Bernie, but ideologically, I've shifted more toward Yang's 2020 platform in the past few years, and I'm more in line with his human centered capitalism than Bernie's democratic socialism. Even though in reality, despite the rhetoric and some different policy solutions, both are very much the same and have that same humanist quality I resonate with. I just chalk up the ideological disagreements as some legitimate policy differences between the two approaches. I still respect the dude and consider him a major influence of my own politics. 

And yeah, that's my overall thoughts. 

Saturday, May 6, 2023

Discussing gish galloping Biden's accomplishments and the centrist liberal's mindset on elections

 So, this one was actually requested by someone, in a sense. It actually is an article that should have existed for a while, and I was surprised, searching for one like it, never existed. Since we are on the third election cycle of insufferable neolibs defending neolib candidates in the most boring and trite ways. 

One such way is just rattling off this huge list of accomplishments, no matter how small and minor, and completely out of context. The point of this is an "own." Like "oh, you say Biden didn't accomplish anything? well here's a list of tons of accomplishments, checkmate progressive." And, long story short, these lists often suck. They're full of a bunch of minor accomplishments that in the grand scheme of things don't matter much, but think just being able to list them is an "own."

And I'm just not having it. A few of the "accomplishments" listed were stuff like the infrastructure bill which if I recall, was a compromise of a compromise. You gotta keep in mind, much of the left wanted a green new deal, this $1.5 trillion+ expansion (up to $3 trillion in the most aggressive plans) in government spending just being poured into redoing infrastructure and solving climate change. Biden campaigned on build back better, a framework I admittedly like better given I'm not much of a jobs guarantee guy, and I'd rather pour that money into UBI. But Biden wanted to spend like $300 billion a year on that, or 10-20% of the original idea. And then what we got was like....even less. And then we passed a $100 billion a year plan. Which is, okay, but let's face it, even by my standards this is moderate, and given what the rest of the left wanted, it's insultingly moderate. 

Another thing mentioned was leaving Afghanistan. Except, wasn't that a crapshow? Didn't trump sign that deal, and didn't it just get handed to Biden and ended up being a disaster as a result? DOnt get me wrong, I approve of leaving, but still. 

And then you had stuff like creating 10 million jobs or something. Like...does this person understand how economic cycles work? We had a huge recession from shutting down over covid, and then we reopened, so yeah of course he created like 10x the jobs of anyone else. But that's not a flex. Heck, by my standards, it's not even something I care about. If anything, I'm WAAAY more interested in job destruction, than job creation. yay, more slavery, more rocks rolling up hill. WHile jobs shutting down is like YAY IM FREE. If only we came up with a way to pay for people out of work...

But yeah, that's kind of the point. You can rattle off accomplishments all day, but if you actually measured them compared to what I want and what my ideal platform is, they aren't much. I MADE positive cases for biden, pointing out he made SOME progress on some of my priorities, but still, in the grand scheme of things, we're talking like 50/200 on intent, and far less in practice. So basically extremely incremental gains. So how do these neolibs think they're kidding?

I mean, let's discuss what this is. This is a rhetorical technique called a "gish gallop." It's a rhetorical technique named after creationist Duane Gish, and involves just flooding your opponent with tons of talking points all at ones, in hopes that they cannot respond to them all. After all, it takes like 30 seconds to make a claim on the internet, and like 30 minutes to refute it. I did address a couple more salient points above, but no way was I actually sitting down and responding to this whole massive list of 10 accomplishments. Because taken together, they're not that impressive, they're nowhere near as impressive as most progressives, including myself want, and while I'm not opposed to giving credit while credit is due, I WOULD ideally like someone far more progressive than Biden. Biden is kind of the bare minimum, and I do like Williamson better, which is how this whole debate started. 

But yeah, the point of these arguments are to shut down progressives by burying them under a pile of BS. It's impossible to respond to all of these in real time, and that's the point. To shut the other person up by making them look unable to refute the points because let's face it, it takes a TON of effort most people would rather not expend. I did address a couple points, which is one technique used to counter it. Focus the argument on a handful of the points, and poke holes in them, putting the rest of it in doubt. And I also called it out. Which is what led to a guy telling me I should make a post about this. I didn't want to on the forums themselves, so this blog post of that. 

Here's the thing. When most people go to the polls, they don't vote based on statistics. Yes, if you cite stats at someone, yes, the economy is "better", job growth is strong, blah blah blah. But...first of all, I wouldnt attribute that to Biden as it's just the natural ebb and flow of the economy. Just as I didn't attribute the expansion from 2017-2020 to trump because it was a continuation of the obama expansion, which was just a recovery from the great recession. But here's the thing, you can cite stats all day, but if people don't FEEL improvement, or notice it in their lives, they're not gonna vote on that. This is a key miscalculation the democrats made in 2016, for example. They were like "but but we recovered from the recession, what are you guys belly aching about?", while we're sitting here in our burned out rust belt cities with no jobs but oppressive service industry jobs that we hate. Honestly? I dont think centrist dems realize this, but the great recession kind of broke the illusion of this great american economy being a "land of opportunity". We kinda realize crap is rigged, crap isn't working for the typical person much, and while we may differ in solutions at times, status quo politics isnt good enough. I mean, with me, citing jobs numbers isn't gonna do ANYTHING to make me wanna vote for a candidate. because I don't value "creating jobs". Because you cant create enough jobs to solve poverty. We discussed the structural limits of that on this blog many many times. We need a UBI, we need medicare for all, we need free college and student debt forgiveness, we need a housing program. The basic incremental fixes the centrists wanna do ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH and don't really address the problems in meaningful ways. 

So, these lists miss the point. 

But I also want to explain a bit about why these centrist libs think these lists are impressive. I really wanna dig into their thinking and explain this stuff. Because they're coming at this from a much different perspective than progressives do.

Most progressives are working class. They are subjected to the crap side of the economy, the one that isnt glamorous, and doesn't pay well, and leaves them in precarity. We've gone through the clinton administration, we've gone through the obama administration, we've gone through the biden administration. And these solutions of theirs just don't fix the economy. People are still poor, people are still struggling, and the numbers these guys like to cite don't match our experiences.

Meanwhile, most die hard neolibs who actually LIKE biden are professional class. They're the kinds of people who don't have much skin in the game on the economy, and their goals with the economy are more keeping things as they are and not rocking the boat. They make good money, typically $75k a year up well into the 6 figures range, and are the kinds of people Biden is trying to appeal to when he says he won't raise taxes on anyone making under $400k. What percentile is $400k you ask? On individual income you're talking literally the 98% mark. In household income, the 97% mark. So, these guys are affluent. They work as doctors, lawyers, middle managers in some big office building in some major city somewhere. They climb the corporate leader. Live nice easy lives playing the game, living in their fancy suburbs with their fancy cars, without a care in the world. A generation ago these guys were republicans, but as the democrats got more moderate, and the republicans more crazy, they're now democrats who just want everything to be steady and stable. Politically, their goal is to just keep things as they are. Maybe have mild incremental changes. They're conservative in nature. They dont like change, they dont want the boat rocked. They think change a la sanders or even yang would be a disaster for them as their taxes would go up and that would pinch their lavish living standards. And despite being some of the most privileged people on the planet, they still see themselves as struggling because their spending habits match their income. WHile for us, they have more money than we'd know what to do with, for them, they go through it quickly, while then lecturing us about spending habits like "buying avocado toast" or "skipping that latte at starbucks", as if we don't already do such things. 

I mean, they're out of touch. THey're the kinds of people in corporate offices yelling at REAL working class people over the phone as they're the ones assigning the grunt work at the locations where the REAL work is actually being done. I would know because I've dealt with these kinds of people my whole life. Any time you have a job in an actual working class environment, look at where the corporate offices are and who are the ones pulling the strings, it's these people. And they just dont understand how most people live, and they dont care. They're there to boss everyone else around, and collect a big fat paycheck for it.

And here's how they think about politics and elections. They think about them as job interviews. What do you do in a job interview? Well, you build your resume, talk about your skills, your accomplishments, blah blah blah, and then you take them to a prospective employer, dazzle them with BS, and get hired. And these guys, living the american dream, REALLY live for this crap. They're the ones going on linkedin posting their stories about hustling and living for the grind and blah blah blah. You know, middle management types who really buy into that whole culture, and they build their sense of value and self worth around their jobs and their accomplishments. ANd when they look at candidates, they treat it like an interview. Which is why for them Hillary made sense. After all, she was the one who put in her years with the democratic party. She had the experience, she had the accomplishments. Basically, she had the ideal resume to be president. She was ambitious (in a personal sense), she was accomplished, she was their kind of person. 

But I have to ask, as an outsider to this, "their kind of person TO DO WHAT?!"

For me, politics is about ideas and policies and ideologies. I don't care about the team, I dont care about experience, beyond the basic qualifications to do the job. I care about vision, I care about what people want to do with the power. I don't think these guys care. Because they dont have a grand vision for how society should work anyway. They're not exactly philosopher king types, which is my ideal kind of leader. They just want someone with experience to fill the position and batten down the hatches. Dont screw up, don't change much, maybe make improvements here and there, but don't rock the boat. 

Which is why our government is so useless at doing things. Andrew yang kind of talked about this in Forward with the term "constructional institutionalism". I mean, these are the guys who will hold summits virtue signalling about the problems, but they never actually do much to solve them. 

And as such, when a president accomplishes anything, they'll jump onto that as any win. It doesnt matter if the change actually matters in the grand scheme of things, all that matters is the accomplishment happened. Because for them, they care more about superficial accomplishments, than they do about actually changing things. 

I mean, for them, politics is a team sport. it's better to be on the right team and to signal the right virtues than it is to actually fix anything. So when a president like clinton or obama or biden passes anything, it's a huge success and how dare you not be grateful. Doesn't matter if the change makes our lives better in practice or not, the numbers say things are better, so therefore they are better. Never mind that those numbers aren't even measuring the right things in the first place or they're measuring them in the wrong way.

As such, these guys are just in their own little world. No, for those of us who want our little ideal philosopher kings who actually want to use their powers to change the system for good in rather drastic ways, these changes aren't good enough. maybe they do make things better. I've been trying to be fairly even handed on Biden on this blog lately as we go into election season, recognizing what he's done, what he's wanted to do, while also noting the obvious limitations. Quite frankly, I could see my articles, like everything else, pissing off both sides of the aisle, with progressives disappointed i defend biden at all and the biden bros still thinking im some crazy socialist or something despite the obvious nuances in my politics. 

But yeah, that's how i see it. Not only is just listing accomplishments a gish gallop and kind of a sleezy underhanded technique intended to suppress debate, but if we did look at the grand scheme of biden's accomplishments, they really aren't much. I mean, I have attempted to measure them somewhat, and I'll likely be measuring candidates by more metrics as we get closer to the actual primary. I love my metrics. What can I say? But yeah, they're not much. I mean, I call the dude "Bare Minimum Biden" for a reason sometimes. Because he literally does the bare minimum. 

Look, if you're a centrist neolib type, and you like Biden, that's fine, that's your ideology. But, progressives kinda care about issues, and tend to have standards that might not be particularly...accomplishable in the current political environment, but our goal is ultimately to change the environment to get the progress we want. And that's why we run progressive candidates. That's why we like our Bernies and our Yangs and our Marianne Williamsons. Because we want candidates who actually want to do things with their power to accomplish the kinds of change we want to accomplish. Biden just isnt good enough, I'm sorry, he's not. He does literally the bare minimum. And often times fails to even accomplish that due to congress and the courts. While I'm not opposed to being fair and even handed toward the guy and recognizing what he did do, honestly, anyone who follows this blog knows that my standards are a lot more ambitious. So I'm not gonna like biden, i'm not gonna be impressed by his accomplishments, and if that's your thing, go ahead and like it, but don't be surprised when others don't think the same way.

Wednesday, May 3, 2023

Utah's new porn law: how about you parent your kids properly instead

 So, TYT covered a story in which Pornhub blocked Utah over age verification laws. This led to some discussion on it, and being a libertarian on social issues, I wanted to throw my hat in the ring.

A lot of conservatives push crazy authoritarian laws on the basis of "wanting to protect the kids". All of this crap about drag queens in florida and tennessee is about "protecting the kids", and I've been lectured before on forums about how being a parent changes your political priorities and makes you more conservative and blah blah blah. Yeah, because these people seem to lose their freaking minds where they have kids and suddenly they wanna regulate how the rest of the world works around their kids.

And I'm going to be blunt, as a child free adult who IS libertarian and permissive, this irks me. 

On the subject of age verification of porn sites, I'm fine with just "click here to say you're over 18" or "scroll down to get your birth date into the site" and that's that. Needing photo ID or any stricter verification is problematic because then your info is out there when you're doing private time, and NO ONE wants that. Except weirdo authoritarians. 

Honestly, my solution is PARENT YOUR KIDS. When I was a kid, I never looked at porn. Part of it was being sheltered, but part of it was also a little something known as PARENTAL CONTROLS. They were overbearing, and sometimes stopped me from doing innocuous things like playing chess on the internet, but they worked. And while they didnt work perfectly, I'm sure these tools have become far more advanced in recent years. I know I have a friend who is a parent and he mentioned his kid's internet history is completely accessible to him, like his ISP jsut tells him every site he's ever been on. And he knows how to deal with that stuff. And that's good. It's fine to want to protect your kid from watching porn. What ISN'T fine is making everyone else jump through hoops because you wanna "protect the kids." 

Like really, im sick of conservative politics violating peoples' freedoms because everyone has to be Mrs. Lovejoys up in here. Instead of expecting the rest of society to be inconvenienced here, maybe the solution is you step up and you parent your kid properly. At least, that's my attitude toward this stuff.

Tuesday, May 2, 2023

We should have primary debates

 So, this is something else the left has been complaining about incessantly lately, but the dems basically decided, hey, we're not having debates this year! We're sticking with Biden, screw you! All while acting like they care so much about democracy. It comes off as hypocritical. ANd that's the sad thing. Technically, the democrats are a private organization. Legally they're not required to have debates. They can pick their candidates in the back room and they've argued as such legally before. It's sickening how much these unelected organizations that are not accountable to the public at all have over our politics. And while normally the answer would be "then let's not support these buttholes", well...then we gotta take into consideration that the alternative is likely to be Trump again. And he tried to incite an insurrection to destroy our democracy altogether. We're screwed. Like, either we cave to this unelected organization that controls the process and bullies us and tells us we better fall in line or else, or we get the fascist who MAKES THINGS WORSE. And they know it, and that's why they can get away with it.

Yes, I know this is a year with a reelection. Yes, I know primaries are not normal. BUT, we're in the middle of a party realignment, and what is normally unthinkable became quite normal, for better or for worse. For better would be "hey, let's have a primary as our current guy is deeply unpopular and most people don't seem to like him", for worse would be donald trump just committing a fascist takeover of the US. 

We are so screwed as a country. Some days I just wanna say "screw politics." 

But yeah, clearly, Im sympathetic to the left on this one. I'd like to see Biden debate both Williamson and "frogman" (RFK Jr, see the comment about how his voice sounds like frogs doing it in the recent post about him).

But let's face it, even if they did, the debates are done by media networks like CNN and MSNBC and have biases. Remember how they gave certain candidates far more speaking time than others and asked loaded questions and didn't allow them to get their points across? Yeah.

Again, the amount of power these media networks and political parties have on our democracy is disgusting. Like, yes, on paper, we have a democracy. We choose who the best guy is and who has the most votes (well, most votes in the electoral college) wins. But...then you got these parties having a chokehold on the process, and the media having a chokehold on the narrative, and in practice the whole process is captured and we basically get an oligarchy. Like these kinds of groups really are like a full fledged 4th branch of government. It's disgusting. 

Anyway, in any other election cycle, I would be passionately telling you guys the best way out of this is to just walk away from the dems and let them fail, but given the GOP literally has a gun at the head of our democracy altogether, that isn't really an option right now. Because under normal circumstances, that IS the answer. The way to fix the problem would be for americans to dump the parties and join third party movements that offer alternatives. Over time, those major parties are forced to either adapt to the electorate, or face their own extinction as people jump ship. People cant like it cant be done since we've had the same two parties since the 1860s, but we've actually had several realignments in that period in which the parties did exactly what I said. 1896, 1932, and 1968-1980 are examples of this. And arguably 2016-present is another 1970sesque period in our politics where we're in an electoral king of the hill for the future of our democracy. And sadly, because we missed the boat in 2016, and in 2020 we went Biden, we kinda screwed ourselves. We're stuck propping up an 82 year old no one really likes, while the GOP gets all of that populist energy that the dems should have had all along IF ONLY THEY FREAKING RAN BERNIE.

Seriously, because 2016 went as it did, everything since has been because of that. We could have had a populist dem coalition with Bernie sanders that would've won, but instead we got Trump and Clinton. This caused the election to be about identity politics and other BS, and trump won. And because trump won, his base got energized and became more radical. And now they're batcrap insane. Meanwhile the dems ended up digging themselves into this whole of mediocrity and learned helplessness, with all of the flaws of these centrist candidates they shove down our throats on display, and the combination of the GOP just becoming more radical, and the dems being so ineffective and milquetoast, are meaning our politics are NOT in a good place.

Honestly, we NEED a left that's worthy of support. One that actually gets people excited, and actively supports making peoples' lives better, but the dems can't help but keep standing in their own way, and the right is just becoming more and more extreme. 

As of right now, I do believe supporting the dems no matter what is the best move. This isnt 2016, or even 2020 any more. We are literally fighting for the future of the left and our democracy, and sadly, we got bigger fish to fry than fighting with the dem party this time.

Again, under normal circumstances I would happy tell you guys to walk away and let the dems burn for this behavior. To some extent, they deserve it. But if we do and the GOP wins, well, that means the GOP might win the entire realignment game. By turning us into a fascist dictatorship. And then America as a free country is done and we'd need a literal freaking revolution to right it again. 

So...yeah. I'm not happy about the dems this time. I'm actually as angry at them as I was in 2016 and 2020, and truly believe their poor treatment of progressives is extremely self sabotaging, but again, this isn't the year to do something about it. I know that people might be disappointed in me saying this. if you think that way, do what you want. I'm not gonna voter shame. We all know that crap doesn't work any way and just inflames people. Do what you want, but I hope that what I'm saying actually sinks in for some.

Discussing disingenuous arguments against Biden

 I can't believe I'm defending Biden this much as of late, but there you go. It's happening, I guess. I guess I'm kind of on a high after reading the chapter of "It's okay to be angry about capitalism" on build back better, but then I see the populist online left crap on him relentlessly. And normally, I'd be all for that. He kinda has it coming a lot of the time. BUT...I feel like sometimes the criticisms get out of hand.

Today, Kyle Kulinski talked about how people can't cite any reasons to be pro Biden. And he himself kinda crapped on Biden, admitted he ended the war in Afghanistan, which, btw, was kind of a big deal, but honestly, to say there's NO reason to be for him? That's disingenuous. I can cite several decent things about Biden's platform. I mean, for the record, let's start with my "big 4". UBI, Medicare for all, free college/student debt forgiveness, climate change. 

On UBI, he had the child tax credit, which was like UBI lite for kids. Given my own UBI proposal, it was a very mild, incremental joke compared to a full UBI, but it cut child poverty in half when it was implemented. Out of 100 possible points, let's give him 10/100. Because let's face it, the child UBI is 1/4 of my total UBI in terms of persons, and I support $5400 per child, rather than $3600. So 2/3 of 1/4 is basically 2/12, or 1/6. And then consider that the adult UBI wouldn't exist at all, and that is a lot more valuable in terms of dollars, and yeah, 10/100 sounds about right.

On medicare for all, he supported a public option with universal opt in in theory, but he hasn't done crap to advance it. So...yeah. Let's just say it, he's been a complete failure in practice, and he deserves 0 points. But he DID support some sort of public option in theory. 0/50.

Free college and student debt forgiveness. He actually did $10-20k in student debt forgiveness by executive order. That's bad###. He just said, I'm doing it, and then...the courts stopped him. Because republicans filed lawsuits to get it shot down and the courts took it up and blah blah blah obstruct obstruct obstruct. And on free college, he wanted free community college. All things considered, half measures, but yeah, it's something. Let's say 13/25.

Build back better. I mean, if I were president, I'd be happy to sign on to the build back better framework for climate change. I don't want a full green new deal, as that is a completely different vision that contradicts with my UBI in terms of funding and dollars. But yeah solid plan. 25/25. 

So just based on that, he gets a 48/200. That's not great. But it's something. And if he had a public option, that would go up to the 60-70 I gave him in the past depending on the implementation.

And then there was the $15 minimum wage he wanted but congress shot it down.

And then the paid family leave, the free preK, universal childcare, etc. 

I mean, let's be honest. You can CLEARLY tell I'm not really on team Biden here. I've discussed all of this before and I've lambasted it for being milquetoast, but...it's something. We were getting some progress. Bernie DID push him to the left a bit, and most dems were willing to play ball. And let's face it, who stopped us from getting all of these nice things? The courts and congress. Biden is only one guy, and even if we had Marianne, or Bernie, or Yang in office, you wanna know where we'd be? In the same situation. Because the problem isn't the president, the problem is congress and the courts. Let's lay the blame where it belongs. Seriously, Bernie discussed all of this in his book. I didn't do a full review on it as I wanna wait until I finished it, but yeah. 

I mean, I'm not passionate about Biden either, but it's insane to act like he didn't try to do ANYTHING. I get being frustrated with the dems in general, and to be frank, they deserve it, but let's not be disingenuous here. It's fine to not like Biden, it's fine to not be passionate about the guy, but let's at least admit he wanted to do some nice things here and there.

Monday, May 1, 2023

So why do people like RFK Jr?

 So, I really don't get this guy. This guy is...a joke. He seems to be centrist, he seems to be focusing extensively on anti vax nonsense. But then I see in progressive circles people pushing him like this progressive champion who is better than Biden and I'm like why? I don't get it. So you know what? I asked people on a forum I'm on to make the case for him. And the topic really blew up and is currently sitting at like 500 responses, including comment chains and stuff. And I would like to actually present and react to the ideas I've gotten in my own words. For the record, I don't agree with most of these views, but I do want to present the overall themes and best comments I got on the subject, so I'm going to be cherrypicking some of the best comments and reacting to them. 

He appeals to a certain residue of the Anti-Imperialist Left. They just want him to get on stage and yell “The C.I.A killed my dad and uncle!” Everything else is kind of secondary.

 *sigh*, that makes sense. To be honest, on the forum I'm on, there's a a lot of "anti war" weirdos. And a lot of them have very strange ideas. We shouldnt help the Ukrainians because russia is only defending against NATO expansionism, blah blah blah. America bad. And it seems to be THE issue they ride or die on. They are OBSESSED with ending the wars. It's the same energy that seemed to propel Tulsi as a top option among some progressives despite how even in 2020 she was a meh candidate at best, and since then I've really lost any support for her. 

As with Williamson, I imagine the majority of his "supporters" are primarily anti-Biden rather than pro-Kennedy.

 Eh, this seems to be a trend I notice, except that at least with Williamson you can at least be in support of progressive policy. The pro kennedy vote seems to be knee jerk and based on opposing biden rather than about any sensible and sane policy of his.

I'm giving the 20%ers the benefit of the doubt, and assuming that maybe they see he's a Kennedy and don't know much about him yet - otherwise, I really don't know.

 Yeah, and I don't really "get" the Kennedy thing. When I think kennedy i think of this really old and out of touch rich family from massachusetts who was relevant in politics like 60 years ago, and even then wasn't that great. Kennedy seemed to have the obama effect. People loved him because he gave nice speeches, but he wasn't really that good on policy. Like name one good thing you like about the kennedy era. Because when I think kennedy, I think of him banging Marilyn Monroe and almost getting us into nuclear war. 

But something something he died because of the deep state or something.

  I like how nobody has laid out specific policies that RFK has championed or co-signed and keep on saying he’s “anti-war” and sued big corporations at some points in his life. Neither answer the question. What will he do when the next big pandemic hits America? Because at the rate global warming is progressing we will definitely get something worse than COVID within our lifetime.

 I mean to be fair Im going by the most upvoted comments, but I noticed this. While I'll be citing some of the more specific comments further down, yeah, a lot of people didnt give me a straight answer, and the ones who did didn't seem to have their ducks in a row to be frank. 

If you listen to these and still have questions, lmk. Is anyone else talking about the cia overthrowing governments abroad and that having bad effects? Or the railroad industry regulating itself effectively, lobbying successfully for such lax regulations as would lead to the east palestine disaster? Is anyone else calling out the swamp, but who has the actual technical know how (due to litigating against corrupt agencies for decades) to change agency function (I say the swamp, because rfk specifically called out trump for saying he’d drain the swamp, and then getting rolled entirely)? Is anyone else talking about the top food and safety people, in some cases, being literally on the payroll of Monsanto?

He’s the anti revolving door agency capture guy. The entirety of his announcement speech was focused primarily on the merger of state and corporate power.

That’s his thing.

Three suggested listens:

3/5 Hillsdale https://freedomlibrary.hillsdale.edu/programs/cca-iv-big-pharma/anthony-fauci-and-the-public-health-establishment

4/19 Announcement https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EsuLBPjdt-w

4/29 cnn interview https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YL5w9g0ReQI&pp=ygUHUmZrIGNubg%3D%3D

Side note I got into it, on another thread in this sub about rfk. If people ask me respectful questions I can answer. But I’m not trying to get into a skirmish, where everything I say my intentions are doubted. If you feel called to ask me if I’m a flat earther, or to link to articles alleging rfk said something without including full context or review of what he said, probably don’t. If you’re mainly interested in vaccines, go to debatevaccines sub or something. Rfk platform is not anti vax

 To be fair this is probably THE best actual pro kennedy take I got. I'm not swayed by this comment, but yeah. Let's break it down. CIA and weirdo leftist foreign policy concerns? CHeck. A lot of positive rhetoric and stuff like "he's the guy who knows how to reign in corruption" without actually explaining how he would do these things? Like it just seems to be like really vapid populism at work. As opposed to the genuine populism of bernie sanders who actually had sound policies to back up his plans, this kinda comes off like trumpesque "he's the guy who will drain the swamp and cant be bought and blah blah blah" kinda rhetoric.

Also, feel free to watch some of the stuff he posted. I didnt watch all of it, but eh...Im not impressed with the guy. We'll come back to this as we go into some of the Biden bashers.

Mainly his proposition to cut the military budget and reallocate those funds towards social and environmental programs.

 Again, seems to be a fixation with ending the wars and cutting defense spending. 

Democratic voters really only have two questions these days..

  1. Are you someone who isn't Trump?
  2. Have I heard your name before?

This seems to be my impression. Imagine youre being polled, you dont like biden. But then when the three candidates: biden, williamson, and kennedy are presented, how many people will just go with kennedy because they know of the kennedy name? I dont go by political dynasties, and in cases like this it actually works to his detriment IMO, but yeah. Given how many people I've seen in previous polls want FREAKING MICHELLE OBAMA, the american public seems to have very little imagination, and seem to not know who most of these people are.

 The title should read “For the Biden supporters. Just why?” For a party that rallies against old, corrupt white guys, you picked a doozy

 I talked to this guy further asking what he meant and a common complaint I got was Biden's mental state. A lot of people think Biden is just old and senile. Uh....BIden sometimes looks like he forgets where he is, and he stutters, but I dont think he's full on demented or anything. Trump shows more signs of dementia in my unscientific opinion than biden does. Biden just has a stutter that seems to get worse as he ages. 

Also to go into the videos above, Kennedy doesnt sound like a great orator himself. Sounds like one of those people who smoked too much and end up in cigarette commercials speaking through a voice box. Almost expecting the dude to call me a "smoothskin" at some point.

 Gee debates would be nice , so an informed public could make an educated decision but I forgot BIDEN AND THE CORRUPT DNC RIGGED THE SYSTEM.
 Yeah, lots of progressives are pissed off as the dems refusing to have debates. I aint happy about that either tbqh. Dems are corrupt and do put their finger on the scale institutionally. BUT....this guy ain't it. I'd literally rather have biden by any objective metric than this guy.

I'm not really going to try and sell him but I feel like some of his negative qualities are overplayed similarly to how the media slanders Marianne (who I support over RFK- for the sake of clarity.)

When I look over his policies he seems strongly in favor of getting money out of politics, universal healthcare in some form, and debt relief for students.

His anti-vax stances are kind of yikes but he's still more of a "leave it up to the individual" type which at this point isn't much different than the state of indifference the federal government currently has. The people who haven't vaxxed at this point aren't going to be swayed and the people open to public health are multiple times vaccinated/boosted.

 Another decent one. Eh. I looked at his site on this blog as well. He didnt have anything solid policy wise just about. And his anti vax stance is cringe. Sorry, it is.
 
What blind contrarianism does to a mf* that’s pretty much your answer
 Yep. And this is a problem with much of the modern anti establishment left. They've lost their darned minds in the years following 2016 and especially 2020. At this point they are so anti democratic party some of them start sounding like republicans. It's no wonder Jimmy Dore types seem to be his biggest supporters on the left, despite this being a straight up betrayal to bernie's original ideals.
I know republicans who would support rfk jr against trump. It seems like a no-brainer. But libs are gonna lib for Biden 🙄
 This guy likes him because he's more centrist. Um...fair enough, but I thought most people on the forum I was on were progressive, so wanting to appeal to anti vax conservative types aint my priority. Quite frankly, screw those guys.

At this point I think a lot of Democratic primary voters are looking for anyone with a pulse that is not Biden. A lot of them probably are bought into the "Williamson isn't a serious candidate" crap and saw that RFK is related to JFK and just said "that's good enough for me, policy be damned".
 yeah a lot of these guys were also very anti williamson, given her law of attraction and manifestation based beliefs. Still, for me, I find RFK to be evenmore cringe. At least williamson speaks to issues I care about.

If you go to conspiracy websites like Infowars, you'll find comment sections filled with people supporting him, and some even claiming that they will vote blue for the first time to support him. It's not a coincidence that you're getting so many responders who can't answer your questions.
 Yeah he seems to have the nutcase vote locked down between his anti vax nonsense and the whole "his family was killed by the CIA" crap i got in a few comments. 

For me, he accepts and understands new important technologies like Bitcoin and the relationship the dollar debt ponzi and currency debasement has on society as a whole.
 Ugh, this is a lib right position. Those guys are obsessed with crypto for some reason. I find the fixation to be completely weird.
 
 Mainly I would support RFK because he’s not a geriatric and he can speak a little bit and because he’s not a career politician.. unlike you I don’t value experience in there.. need a fresh perspective
 The dude isnt much younger than Biden. And he looks and sounds older to me. 

And while IM not going to obsess over experience, this guy doesnt seem to have any discernible policy positions worth talking about tbqh.

It's simple for me. The DNC and mainstream media hate him and I'm tired of always having the plastic bought out president. I'd rather have an ineffective one than one who I know will screw this country over.
 Okay...interesting idea. Dont necessarily agree fully, same logic that got us trump, but yeah.

I'm not in support of RFK jr but it seems to me all people talk about is his vaccine opinion like that's the only thing in the world that matters.

What else do we know about him? I feel like it should take more than a bad hot take to dismiss a Kennedy.

I'm at the very least still interested to hear what he has to say on other topics.

Biden had plenty of baggage and cringeworthy statements he had made over the years and people still elected him.

I'll be honest the fact every article about RFK mentions his vaccine stance in the first like two sentences feels like a media character assassination.

 It's literally about the only position we have on record. So fair, next. 

I look at the whole package. I know williamson was criticized over vaccines and positions on medicine as well. I've lobbed criticisms at her myself. But she also has a lot of ideas I like. RFK has nothing of value tbqh.

His father and uncle were killed by the CIA he knows the real truth and will spread it. His track record on the environment is awesome. Has a track record of exposing corporate corruption. He is a mega disrupter. Business as usual has to stop.
 This is a pretty common position i've seen. Conspiracy theories, vague discussion about his time as an environmental lawyer, which makes him the "real deal" on climate I guess (what, does build back better and the green new deal not count for anything now?), and yeah, it really does come off with me as the trumpy nonsense.
 
 From what I gather he seems a traditional pre 2016 democrat. He’s not talking about identity politics, he’s anti big pharma (which sorry to break it to everyone traditional liberals have always big anti big pharma), and he is reminiscent of JFK and Bobby Kennedy, leaders who have long been considered the gold standard in liberal leadership.
 Lack of identity politics, check. Anti big pharma, eh, cringe. And honestly the kennedy name means nothing as far as im concerned. I really think we need to get over our nostalgia of this family. It's weird and creepy. 

not 120 years old and doesn't believe in magic healing crystals, i.e. better than the other two

edit: just heard him talk for the first time and it sounds like there's two obese Toads making love to each other in his throat so idk if this is gonna work

 Okay, so guys? I didnt see this edit until I went back to look at the messages. I'm laughing so hard. I cant stop. And it's true. 

As far as the original opinion, more comments on BIden's age, comments on Marianne's healing crystals, but I gotta respect that he's changing my mind after hearing that voice.

Normally i wouldnt crap on a candidate for their voice if they have good policies, but this guy doesn't, and given half the people act like Biden can't even string together a coherent sentence, it's fair game.

Biden... Dude appears to be a corrupt career politician... Dude AUTHORED the crime bill that created most of the social and systemic problems in minority communities. Dude had a mentor that was literally in the KKK, (Byrd.)

Now is taking credit for Trump stuff with insulin and the job recovery from THE PANDEMIC...

Don't look at inflation.... Don't look at the insane spending... Don't look at Ukraine... Don't ask questions...

Just obey The Party, like it is 1984.

Biden.... Why?... Just why?!?!

Still going on about stuff from 50 years ago? How has he governed recently?

Trump took credit for Obama if anything.

Biden is responsible for the recovery, but also the inflation. It's both. And neither is really his fault, just how things went. 

Ukraine, I support Biden's actions there. Spending, what is this a republican talking point?

 I dont like the dems either, but seriously i swear most of these people are more anti biden than pro kennedy.

 I support him and I'm a Dem. He's vaccine skeptical not fully anti Vax. There's a difference. There are a lot of Dems who felt the lock downs, or at least the most extreme extent of them, were over blown. Also a fair number with distrust of power. I feel that's warranted. Kennedy is progressive on the issues and has an exciting populist message. He's been an environmental hero for decades and can take big government agencies to task. He won't slash funding. He'll find holes and fix agencies and get them working. His reflex is to expose power. He is pro choice, pro environment, anti war. The foreign policy stances are appealing too. They're on the dovish side of the Democratic party. He reminds me more of Eugene McCarthy than he reminds me of his father. But McCarthy is a hero of mine, and I support RFK Jr. For president.

 To be fair, the whole "covid vaccine isn't safe" is an anti vax talking point. We can't say he's "just asking questions", when in reality he's JAQing off

Also, this just tells me what I already suspected, that people like this dude because they're actually on the right. I was pro lockdown and pro vaccine mandate. 

I dont understand the cult of personality around his environmental work. Again, Biden had BBB, Williamson supports GND...and this guy was a lawyer? Cool I guess, but still a distant third place for me. 

Beyond that, it sounds like the whole cult of personality thing we saw around trump. Like "he's the guy to do things and expose corruption and blah blah blah". Uh...how? We dont even know what this dude wants to do.

Anti-war. Anti-polluter.

  Anti war. Check. More vague environmental platitudes, check.

Against war on Ukraine & China. Focuses on ending corrupt industry regulatory capture. Calls out surveillance tyranny and AI totalitarianism risk. Wants to destroy rogue CIA, bring assassins to justice, close 800 military bases, calls out corporate poisoners of environ, calls out massive health declines and locates problem in regulatory capture, likelong track record of suing corporations and winning...

 More weird emphasis on being anti war, pro environment, and anti corruption without discussing any policy specifics. 

1: They're mostly people who vote GOP anyway, regardless of their registration.

2: They're overwhelmingly conspiracy nuts, and RFK Jr is a fellow traveller.

 Seems to be my impression.

Only RFK and Trump want to end the potentially nuclear situation in Ukraine. So, obviously, if you're anti-war and on the left, you're supporting RFK. Marianne's FP is dog####. I'm a single-issue voter in 2024. End the conflict, by whatever means necessary.

 More anti war nonsense...

You know Biden cannot talk on his own, right?
No, I don't know that. Anyway, Kennedy sounds like he has emphasema so....

Seems like the least we can do for the guy, the CIA did kill his entire family

More conspiracy nonsense... 

I love the anti vaccine stuff

Weird flex but okay...

Beyond that we start getting into the negative comments that got downvotes and weren't really that good. 

Summing up my observations

To sum up my observations...

1) A lot of these people weren't wrapped too tight. Lot of conspiracy nonsense, anti vax nonsense, and trying to explain away his anti vax views by saying hes not anti all vaccine just covid vaccine. 

2) Some seem to just want any alternative to Biden. 

3) Some just seem to attach themselves to the kennedy name.

4) As far as issues, he seems popular among people who are extremely anti war, anti vax, pro environment, and anti corruption.

5) People seemed to have this weird populist cult of personality around him, like he's the guy who's gonna end corruption and save the environment, often without expressing how.

And yeah. My total prognosis? This guy sucks as much as I thought he did. My opinion on him hasnt changed, if anything it's worse now, since he seems to be appealing to people I just have fundamental differences with in terms of things like values and worldview. 

I mean, I'm pro Ukraine, pro vax, while I dislike Biden and the DNC, I still see biden is better on policy, and the dude seems to attract this weird vortex of nutters and populists going in on a cult of personality over actual policy.

I care about policy. I care about what these guys wanna do in office. I dont like him because his policy goals dont seem to align with mine, and he seems to be going in the cringe direction of the knee jerk anti biden type people. 

I'm not impressed. Both Biden and Williamson are far superior candidates.