Why asking people to give up meat is a terrible idea

 So, this is a continuation of "stuff I don't want to say on leftist subreddits but I feel free to say here".

This discussion was about why more people on the left aren't vegans or vegetarians. This was my answer:

I love my meat, I cant give it up. However, unlike a certain sellout "progressive" representing my state currently, I am all for a future of lab grown meat.

Either way, i find shaming people for individual habits to be counterproductive, people arent just gonna give up their meat, focus on the biggest polluters, and find alternative solutions that dont inconvenience people and force them to change their lives. We got all kinds of alternative solutions these days to consider, I suggest weaning ourselves off of the current farming industrial complex and the concentration camps we call farms to more humane and environmentally friendly alternatives.

Still we need to make them more affordable and mainstream. Right now a lot of them are expensive. No one is gonna wanna spend bougie prices for bougie vegan food, we need to get past the whole upper class "whole foods" vibes the alternatives have and make manufacturing cheaper so we can make them more mainstream. It's gonna take years but hopefully we'll get there in the next decade or so.

 

 So for reference, the sell out was John Fetterman. He recently came out against lab grown meat. At best, it was an effort to save the jobs of pennsylvanian farmers (because we all know the end all be all to everything is "jerbs") and at worst it was an effort to take money from certain farming interests. Yeah I'm kinda turning on fetterman. it seems like more and more the dude is just for sale on everything, and he's just pushing more and more cringe takes. 

But, I do wanna focus on this in particular. First, let's get the obvious out of the way. No one likes vegans and vegetarians. Why? because they're pushy and preachy. It's the same phenomenon behind the gaza people. Pushy and preachy. Wanna lose the public, be an obnoxious self righteous jerk who lectures people for just living their lives and not giving a crap about some cause. But again, you can't force people to care. How many times do I have to say this?

And on climate change, same thing. We just went through a time period where people wouldnt even sit in the couch, wear face masks, or get a vaccine, to stop a deadly pandemic. Americans are selfish. You ask Americans to give up something, to abandon some aspect of their lifestyle, and you'll lose them. This happened with Carter. he leveled with the American people, told them to wear sweaters, and they rewarded him for it by kicking him to the curb and electing Reagan. 

And sadly, Biden had to pull back on a lot of his post pandemic stuff because he was gonna face electoral annhilation if he didn't. And some are still litigating this stuff. Who? Well, the people voting for Wormy McWormface, that's who. They're still stuck in 2021 on this stuff. But I digress.

This is the reality of climate change, and this is something leftists don't like to hear. You can't make people give up their lifestyles for the cause. They will fight you every step of the way. A lot of leftists have this idealized vision of walkabout cities and public infrastructure, but cool, how do we get there, and who wants to give up their cars? In America, only poor people and New Yorkers take public transportion. Most wanna drive. Cars are the most convenient mode of transport. people love their cars. You gotta work around that, because we already got half the country pushing the idea that climate change is a communist hoax. Leftists need to stop exploiting the crisis to push their agenda because many would rather the planet burn than they give up their cars. What do we have to so instead? Invest in electric vehicles. We should start seeing market penetration where they become cheap and doable enough by 2035ish hopefully. We gotta replace one substitute with another.

And it's the same with meat. I like a good burger. I don't wanna give that up. And most Americans would HATE the left forever if they actually tried to ban meat. Like really, most Americans LOVE their meat. I see pages on facebook feeding me memes about triggering vegans. And as we know there's maddox's old "for every animal you don't eat, I'm going to eat three". Americans love their meat, probably even more than they love their cars. You ain't doing away with that.

The solution IS lab grown meat. Getting away from factory farming, which is, basically, concentration camps for animals, let's face it, and replacing one alternative for another. Doing a switcheroo from old methods to new ones, through science. We have to overcome our problems through technology. Asking people to do without is political suicide. Idk what the left is thinking with their weird self righteous stances and asking people to self sacrifice. It's like they dont understand the things that pissed off the country last time where nixon and reagan looked like the alternatives to go with. 

Seriously, this is one of my takes I don't wanna mention on that sub, but uh....yeah. The left needs to really learn from its past mistakes. Stop leaning into cringey policies that expect people to care about stuff they don't care about, and self sacrifice. That's just a way to lose the country as a whole. Again, learn from your mistakes, leftists, or risk repeating them.

Seriously though, I literally studied the fall of the new deal coalition and the rise of reagan enough where I'm very opinionated on this. The gaza crap being like the vietnam crap, not a good look, drives people right. Asking people to self sacrifice for a greater cause, individualist america will say F your cause and vote for the person who enables them to continue the status quo. 

I agree with the left that things like cars, and meat consumption, are issues, but they're issues we need to solve through technological breakthroughs that allow us to continue our current standard of living without self sacrifice. Americans are selfish, for better or for worse. They don't wanna hear that we need to give up something for the greater good. And talk like that will make you unelectable. Sometimes it frustrates me too, like with COVID. But other times, like with meat consumption, im right there with them. Find. Other. Solutions.